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		<title>By: GG</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/19/the-moral-imbalance-of-bailouts/#comment-393347</link>
		<dc:creator>GG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about all of us that lost the job house savings before the bailout went into effect. Are we just out of luck?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about all of us that lost the job house savings before the bailout went into effect. Are we just out of luck?</p>
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		<title>By: The moral imbalance of bailouts &#124; [in plain sight]</title>
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		<dc:creator>The moral imbalance of bailouts &#124; [in plain sight]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Hutcherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hutcherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the Senate has passed the 700 billon bailout has Obamas destiny been sealed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the Senate has passed the 700 billon bailout has Obamas destiny been sealed?</p>
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		<title>By: Carson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/19/the-moral-imbalance-of-bailouts/#comment-383409</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick comment on Lehman -- no one there (virtually no one) wanted a government intervention on their behalf.  These donations aren&#039;t free -- they change forever who you are and how you operate.  The traders and analysts were very happy that the government let them figure out a market fix.  Or most of them would have left -- being a &quot;partner&quot; with the government is not very fun.  A lot of AIG folks are re-evaluating their careers at AIG as quasi-government employees.  A pretty different future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick comment on Lehman &#8212; no one there (virtually no one) wanted a government intervention on their behalf.  These donations aren&#8217;t free &#8212; they change forever who you are and how you operate.  The traders and analysts were very happy that the government let them figure out a market fix.  Or most of them would have left &#8212; being a &#8220;partner&#8221; with the government is not very fun.  A lot of AIG folks are re-evaluating their careers at AIG as quasi-government employees.  A pretty different future.</p>
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		<title>By: Asher Zelig Chakansky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asher Zelig Chakansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government should take the 700 billion dollars and instead of a bailout, simply use the money directly to create its own lending institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government should take the 700 billion dollars and instead of a bailout, simply use the money directly to create its own lending institution.</p>
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		<title>By: steven n fettig's Jitterin' Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/19/the-moral-imbalance-of-bailouts/#comment-383197</link>
		<dc:creator>steven n fettig's Jitterin' Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A comment on &quot;The moral imbalance of bailouts&quot; (by Jeff Jarvis)...&lt;/strong&gt;

By setting up this perverse system whereby the most risky of mortgages/loans (i.e. those that showed a high likelihood of default) would be backed and &quot;insured&quot; by the government, we were creating an incentive for banks to loan money to people they s...</description>
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<p>By setting up this perverse system whereby the most risky of mortgages/loans (i.e. those that showed a high likelihood of default) would be backed and &#8220;insured&#8221; by the government, we were creating an incentive for banks to loan money to people they s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/19/the-moral-imbalance-of-bailouts/#comment-383154</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; If we say the government shouldn’t offer aid to people who live in “unsafe” coastal areas because of the hurricane threat, then by the same argument, we shouldn’t offer it to the midwest because of tornadoes or California because of earthquakes. And I suppose we shouldn’t offer it to forest areas either because of the wildfire threat. 

Quite right.

And, it&#039;s not just disasters, it&#039;s local infrastructure also.

Moreover, the federal govt shouldn&#039;t be paying for NYC&#039;s subways, or the Bay Area&#039;s BART.  The Big Dig should have all come out of MA&#039;s hide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; If we say the government shouldn’t offer aid to people who live in “unsafe” coastal areas because of the hurricane threat, then by the same argument, we shouldn’t offer it to the midwest because of tornadoes or California because of earthquakes. And I suppose we shouldn’t offer it to forest areas either because of the wildfire threat. </p>
<p>Quite right.</p>
<p>And, it&#8217;s not just disasters, it&#8217;s local infrastructure also.</p>
<p>Moreover, the federal govt shouldn&#8217;t be paying for NYC&#8217;s subways, or the Bay Area&#8217;s BART.  The Big Dig should have all come out of MA&#8217;s hide.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Jeff.  The US government approach, any government for that matter, to financial and natural disaster bailouts is offensive and unfair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Jeff.  The US government approach, any government for that matter, to financial and natural disaster bailouts is offensive and unfair.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/19/the-moral-imbalance-of-bailouts/#comment-383108</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we say the government shouldn&#039;t offer aid to people who live in &quot;unsafe&quot; coastal areas because of the hurricane threat, then by the same argument, we shouldn&#039;t offer it to the midwest because of tornadoes or California because of earthquakes.  And I suppose we shouldn&#039;t offer it to forest areas either because of the wildfire threat. 

As for economic bailouts, it&#039;s dadgum frustrating to keep on doing this when the financial system never seems to learn its lessons -- like from the S&amp;L crisis.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://francispage.blogspot.com/2008/09/its-gordons-world-we-just-live-in-it.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we say the government shouldn&#8217;t offer aid to people who live in &#8220;unsafe&#8221; coastal areas because of the hurricane threat, then by the same argument, we shouldn&#8217;t offer it to the midwest because of tornadoes or California because of earthquakes.  And I suppose we shouldn&#8217;t offer it to forest areas either because of the wildfire threat. </p>
<p>As for economic bailouts, it&#8217;s dadgum frustrating to keep on doing this when the financial system never seems to learn its lessons &#8212; like from the S&amp;L crisis.  <a href="http://francispage.blogspot.com/2008/09/its-gordons-world-we-just-live-in-it.html" rel="nofollow">More here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: T. Harmon</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/19/the-moral-imbalance-of-bailouts/#comment-383103</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make very good points, and you are right, bailouts are inherently unbalanced and immoral, because they absolve the misfortune or irresponsible choices of a few and lay the consequences squarely on the shoulders of the many - and all of this happens involuntarily - by government mandate. Our only legal choice in this process is our vote.

However, I think your conclusion that the &quot;right amount&quot; of regulation is the answer is fundamentally flawed. The problem with that idea, is it relies on the assumption that an imperfect and self-interested government made up of imperfect and self-interested elected people and the imperfect and self-interested bureaucrats who work for us are capable of determining the &quot;right&quot; amount of regulation. This is an impossible hope. 

Regulation, in addition to the greed and dishonesty, helped get us where we are today. For example, it is not possible for a group of bankers to understand &quot;the right interest rate&quot; for any given period in economic and market activity. Theses powerful decision makers are not omniscient nor immune to political pressure, and thus their decisions place artificial controls on the market and will naturally lead to distortions in market outcomes. And yet, we give this power to the Federal Reserve, a power which cannot be centrally ordered without negative and damaging consequences. 

Another example is the power of the big ratings agencies, which are supposed to give investors and consumers unbiased and unmanipulated information about the health of a corporation or creditor. These ratings agencies have had an abysmal record of gauging the health of the titans of finance as they burned around them. Sometimes downgrading them only within days or hours or even AFTER bankruptcy, and yet these ratings agencies operate with the blessing of a government charter and are also constantly being pressured politically to hold a system together based on the faith of the participants.

The list of how regulation distorts the miraculous give and take of the market is endless. Everything from fiat currency to biofuel are the products of a centrally planned regulated market, as are all of the problems and negative side effects of these policies.  I won&#039;t bore everyone with a giant list in this post. 

What it comes down to is this: this country is at its very foundation based on freedom, that is &quot;certain inalienable rights.&quot; These are rights that cannot be given by man or his governments. However, these rights can be taken by man and his governments. The unique character of the United States rests on the fact that the Founding Fathers actually recognized this divine truth, and they set up a government to protect us from the deprivation of these rights and to give us the freedom to be our best, or worst selves. They did not establish this nation simply to provide a guarantee of security and comfort. 

There is no Constitutional right which protects someone from financial loss or even ruin. There is no right to a nice home when Nature destroys the one we have. There is no inalienable right to ever increasing home value or to a growing portfolio or to quality health care, or even to a secure retirement. 

These are all wonderful things, and I think it is good to try to achieve them, especially in a highly developed society, but when the government tries to impose or ensure these things on a macro scale as in these bailouts or with the individual, there will ALWAYS be a loss of the individual choices and there will ALWAYS be great immoral imbalance.

To be sure, the market system does not equalize the material comfort and socioeconomic standing of the individual, but it always respects liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make very good points, and you are right, bailouts are inherently unbalanced and immoral, because they absolve the misfortune or irresponsible choices of a few and lay the consequences squarely on the shoulders of the many &#8211; and all of this happens involuntarily &#8211; by government mandate. Our only legal choice in this process is our vote.</p>
<p>However, I think your conclusion that the &#8220;right amount&#8221; of regulation is the answer is fundamentally flawed. The problem with that idea, is it relies on the assumption that an imperfect and self-interested government made up of imperfect and self-interested elected people and the imperfect and self-interested bureaucrats who work for us are capable of determining the &#8220;right&#8221; amount of regulation. This is an impossible hope. </p>
<p>Regulation, in addition to the greed and dishonesty, helped get us where we are today. For example, it is not possible for a group of bankers to understand &#8220;the right interest rate&#8221; for any given period in economic and market activity. Theses powerful decision makers are not omniscient nor immune to political pressure, and thus their decisions place artificial controls on the market and will naturally lead to distortions in market outcomes. And yet, we give this power to the Federal Reserve, a power which cannot be centrally ordered without negative and damaging consequences. </p>
<p>Another example is the power of the big ratings agencies, which are supposed to give investors and consumers unbiased and unmanipulated information about the health of a corporation or creditor. These ratings agencies have had an abysmal record of gauging the health of the titans of finance as they burned around them. Sometimes downgrading them only within days or hours or even AFTER bankruptcy, and yet these ratings agencies operate with the blessing of a government charter and are also constantly being pressured politically to hold a system together based on the faith of the participants.</p>
<p>The list of how regulation distorts the miraculous give and take of the market is endless. Everything from fiat currency to biofuel are the products of a centrally planned regulated market, as are all of the problems and negative side effects of these policies.  I won&#8217;t bore everyone with a giant list in this post. </p>
<p>What it comes down to is this: this country is at its very foundation based on freedom, that is &#8220;certain inalienable rights.&#8221; These are rights that cannot be given by man or his governments. However, these rights can be taken by man and his governments. The unique character of the United States rests on the fact that the Founding Fathers actually recognized this divine truth, and they set up a government to protect us from the deprivation of these rights and to give us the freedom to be our best, or worst selves. They did not establish this nation simply to provide a guarantee of security and comfort. </p>
<p>There is no Constitutional right which protects someone from financial loss or even ruin. There is no right to a nice home when Nature destroys the one we have. There is no inalienable right to ever increasing home value or to a growing portfolio or to quality health care, or even to a secure retirement. </p>
<p>These are all wonderful things, and I think it is good to try to achieve them, especially in a highly developed society, but when the government tries to impose or ensure these things on a macro scale as in these bailouts or with the individual, there will ALWAYS be a loss of the individual choices and there will ALWAYS be great immoral imbalance.</p>
<p>To be sure, the market system does not equalize the material comfort and socioeconomic standing of the individual, but it always respects liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Leebow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Leebow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a sad day in America, however, let&#039;s get down to basics. When you look at just one of those subprime loans, you know it&#039;s a disaster waiting to happen. Now, multiply that by 3.5-million. 

Bottomline, very smart people knew this would happen a long time ago.

And here&#039;s some even worse news, it&#039;s gonna get worse -- credit card debt, U.S. auto manufacturers, healthcare system ... just like the investment banks were built on a house of cards, so is the US government. 

As Thomas L. Friedman like to say about the environmental movement, &quot;We&#039;re having a party.&quot;

Ah, what a hangover it&#039;s gonna be. Pass the Exedrin please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a sad day in America, however, let&#8217;s get down to basics. When you look at just one of those subprime loans, you know it&#8217;s a disaster waiting to happen. Now, multiply that by 3.5-million. </p>
<p>Bottomline, very smart people knew this would happen a long time ago.</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s some even worse news, it&#8217;s gonna get worse &#8212; credit card debt, U.S. auto manufacturers, healthcare system &#8230; just like the investment banks were built on a house of cards, so is the US government. </p>
<p>As Thomas L. Friedman like to say about the environmental movement, &#8220;We&#8217;re having a party.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, what a hangover it&#8217;s gonna be. Pass the Exedrin please.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooler Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mountain climbers pay for rescues. What about all those fancy houses on the Atlantic Coast? How about the homes on Fire Island? Should we bail out those millionaires when their houses slide into the sea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mountain climbers pay for rescues. What about all those fancy houses on the Atlantic Coast? How about the homes on Fire Island? Should we bail out those millionaires when their houses slide into the sea?</p>
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		<title>By: Kasey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure hope they get charged for their rescues because I got pissed when I saw that people on the coast were having hurricane parties. Others stayed becuase they were stubborn and/or wanted to &quot;protect&quot; their homes. I hope my tax dollars aren&#039;t rescuing idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope they get charged for their rescues because I got pissed when I saw that people on the coast were having hurricane parties. Others stayed becuase they were stubborn and/or wanted to &#8220;protect&#8221; their homes. I hope my tax dollars aren&#8217;t rescuing idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was editor of the Anchorage Daily News, I constantly wondered about the expensive rescues the government mounted to pull climbers off McKinley or elsewhere after their grand adventure went sideways.

Not sure, but I think those rescued nowadays get charged.

Seems like a lesson there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was editor of the Anchorage Daily News, I constantly wondered about the expensive rescues the government mounted to pull climbers off McKinley or elsewhere after their grand adventure went sideways.</p>
<p>Not sure, but I think those rescued nowadays get charged.</p>
<p>Seems like a lesson there.</p>
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		<title>By: media kingdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>media kingdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s hard to object to the government&#039;s mass bailouts as similar debt-producing methods were put into action to bring the U.S. out of the Depression... our economy has been supported and driven by debt ever since</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s hard to object to the government&#8217;s mass bailouts as similar debt-producing methods were put into action to bring the U.S. out of the Depression&#8230; our economy has been supported and driven by debt ever since</p>
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		<title>By: Make Them Accountable / Media &#38; Politics (one section only today)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make Them Accountable / Media &#38; Politics (one section only today)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The moral imbalance of bailouts (by Jeff Jarvis) When Hurricane Ike hit Texas, the government, acting on our behalf, offered bailouts to the thousands whose homes — built in risk-prone areas — were damaged or destroyed: payment for hotel rooms, aid in rebuilding. But when your neighbor’s house burns down, she gets nothing from us. She gets help only if she has paid for insurance. If that same neighbor gets cancer, she’ll also get no help from us unless she or her employer could afford insurance. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The moral imbalance of bailouts (by Jeff Jarvis) When Hurricane Ike hit Texas, the government, acting on our behalf, offered bailouts to the thousands whose homes — built in risk-prone areas — were damaged or destroyed: payment for hotel rooms, aid in rebuilding. But when your neighbor’s house burns down, she gets nothing from us. She gets help only if she has paid for insurance. If that same neighbor gets cancer, she’ll also get no help from us unless she or her employer could afford insurance. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and one more thing ... how can Obama defend giving taxpayer backed loans to US auto companies.  I know, he&#039;s claiming it&#039;s to help them conform with CAFE compliance ... but I don&#039;t see any Japanese, Korean or German automakers asking for handouts?  Yet these manufacturers together employer hundreds of thousands of Americans in the US.

It&#039;s just another tax payer funded corporate handout ... it&#039;s indefensible for AIG nor for GM ... and he calls this Change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and one more thing &#8230; how can Obama defend giving taxpayer backed loans to US auto companies.  I know, he&#8217;s claiming it&#8217;s to help them conform with CAFE compliance &#8230; but I don&#8217;t see any Japanese, Korean or German automakers asking for handouts?  Yet these manufacturers together employer hundreds of thousands of Americans in the US.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just another tax payer funded corporate handout &#8230; it&#8217;s indefensible for AIG nor for GM &#8230; and he calls this Change?</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say: &quot;I believe in the market but I also believe that government must decide when to regulate just enough. (That is the essence of why I am a Democrat.)&quot;

I agree, but I see that Obama ranked 2nd in the amount of donations he received from Fannie and Freddie ... that doesn&#039;t bode well for change or &#039;regulations&#039;.

Also, while I agree with Obama&#039;s call for changes in regulations, such as increasing reserves that banks have to hold; this position was originally put forward by Bush appointees: Bernake and Paulson, and opposed by Democrats like Dodd.

Alas, we&#039;re left with 2 really unaccountable parties, BOTH ON THE TAKE ... if you think otherwise, you&#039;re likely just rationalizing your position by choosing data points to make you feel comfortable with the position you&#039;ve chosen.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, everyone does it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say: &#8220;I believe in the market but I also believe that government must decide when to regulate just enough. (That is the essence of why I am a Democrat.)&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, but I see that Obama ranked 2nd in the amount of donations he received from Fannie and Freddie &#8230; that doesn&#8217;t bode well for change or &#8216;regulations&#8217;.</p>
<p>Also, while I agree with Obama&#8217;s call for changes in regulations, such as increasing reserves that banks have to hold; this position was originally put forward by Bush appointees: Bernake and Paulson, and opposed by Democrats like Dodd.</p>
<p>Alas, we&#8217;re left with 2 really unaccountable parties, BOTH ON THE TAKE &#8230; if you think otherwise, you&#8217;re likely just rationalizing your position by choosing data points to make you feel comfortable with the position you&#8217;ve chosen.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, everyone does it!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Jeff, amen.  It&#039;s my great hope that the internet is what levels this playing field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Jeff, amen.  It&#8217;s my great hope that the internet is what levels this playing field.</p>
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		<title>By: robertdfeinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/19/the-moral-imbalance-of-bailouts/#comment-383070</link>
		<dc:creator>robertdfeinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, Jeff, you are starting to understand that we don&#039;t have a &quot;capitalist&quot; economic system in this country. We have a corporatist-syndicalist system similar to what Mussolini tried to create.

This is where there is an alliance between big business and government where each helps the other and the working man is kept without political influence. In Italy the alliance explicitly went after the strong labor, socialist and communist movements. This lead to the widespread civil rights abuses and the eventual alliance with Germany.

In the US, the government has not (yet) resorted to violent suppression of worker&#039;s rights, instead we have had 40+ years of union busting through rewriting of the laws, outright abuses and a propaganda campaign promoting the idea that individualism rather than belonging to a community is the ideal.

It is only when the cronyism reaches a crisis that the degree of interdependence between government and big business becomes apparent to all. In more normal times the tax breaks, subsidies, trade policies, and environmental and safety law changes slip through without much notice.

Regulation will be imposed and big business failures will be covered by the tax payers, but then the cycle will just start again. Capitalism has this as an innate feature - one can go back to the tulip craze or the South Sea bubble to see this.

What is becoming different now is that the idea of unlimited growth that is the basis of capitalism is coming under scrutiny as the world moves into an era of resource shortage. I claim that capitalism will not be appropriate for such a condition.

Here&#039;s my 2 cents on the issue:
http://robertdfeinman.com/society/capitalism_must_die.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, Jeff, you are starting to understand that we don&#8217;t have a &#8220;capitalist&#8221; economic system in this country. We have a corporatist-syndicalist system similar to what Mussolini tried to create.</p>
<p>This is where there is an alliance between big business and government where each helps the other and the working man is kept without political influence. In Italy the alliance explicitly went after the strong labor, socialist and communist movements. This lead to the widespread civil rights abuses and the eventual alliance with Germany.</p>
<p>In the US, the government has not (yet) resorted to violent suppression of worker&#8217;s rights, instead we have had 40+ years of union busting through rewriting of the laws, outright abuses and a propaganda campaign promoting the idea that individualism rather than belonging to a community is the ideal.</p>
<p>It is only when the cronyism reaches a crisis that the degree of interdependence between government and big business becomes apparent to all. In more normal times the tax breaks, subsidies, trade policies, and environmental and safety law changes slip through without much notice.</p>
<p>Regulation will be imposed and big business failures will be covered by the tax payers, but then the cycle will just start again. Capitalism has this as an innate feature &#8211; one can go back to the tulip craze or the South Sea bubble to see this.</p>
<p>What is becoming different now is that the idea of unlimited growth that is the basis of capitalism is coming under scrutiny as the world moves into an era of resource shortage. I claim that capitalism will not be appropriate for such a condition.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my 2 cents on the issue:<br />
<a href="http://robertdfeinman.com/society/capitalism_must_die.html" rel="nofollow">http://robertdfeinman.com/society/capitalism_must_die.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh Kirschner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Kirschner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actions of the governement with AIG, Fannie and Bear are better described as &quot;take-overs&quot; than &quot;bailouts&quot;.  The existing shareholders (the owners) were almost entirely wiped out and the executive management was removed.  Even the senior bond holders will be second in line to the U.S. Government when collecting.

While we should never have gotten into this mess in the first place, the Treasury and the Fed are right to be taking actions now to shore-up the system.  Will this come back to bite the taxpayers?  Possibly, depending how these distressed assets aultimately recover.  But a meltdown would have had an even more significant impact on us, the taxpayers, with longterm repercussions on the economy and the financial system.  A regulatory schema for preventing this from happening again is clearly required - to wait until that is in place before acting on the current crisis would be foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actions of the governement with AIG, Fannie and Bear are better described as &#8220;take-overs&#8221; than &#8220;bailouts&#8221;.  The existing shareholders (the owners) were almost entirely wiped out and the executive management was removed.  Even the senior bond holders will be second in line to the U.S. Government when collecting.</p>
<p>While we should never have gotten into this mess in the first place, the Treasury and the Fed are right to be taking actions now to shore-up the system.  Will this come back to bite the taxpayers?  Possibly, depending how these distressed assets aultimately recover.  But a meltdown would have had an even more significant impact on us, the taxpayers, with longterm repercussions on the economy and the financial system.  A regulatory schema for preventing this from happening again is clearly required &#8211; to wait until that is in place before acting on the current crisis would be foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: smart south</title>
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		<dc:creator>smart south</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Buzz Machine- I agree- I feel terrible for the families that lost everything to the hurricanes- but at the same time- I don&#039;t have a house on the coast, and I don&#039;t feel it is the responsibility of the taxpayers to rebuild yours. Katrina and Ike left many displaced, and pehaps for the better. NOLA is nearly 20 ft below sea level, so, maybe its not a good idea to LIVE there... if you take assistance from the government then you should have to move to a safer area. Hurricanes are responsible for a great deal of the economic prolems we see today, as insurance companies operate on risk- so does wall street. Its not entirely unlike gambling. I know people who bought into the interest only loans and moved into expensive houses they could not afford, and it is not the job of every person who had enough sense not to overspend to make your housepayment! Life is about choices- good or bad, there are consequences. Individual responsibility has to come into play at some point, or America becomes the spoiled rotten child that everybody hates to be around- and we are well on the way already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Buzz Machine- I agree- I feel terrible for the families that lost everything to the hurricanes- but at the same time- I don&#8217;t have a house on the coast, and I don&#8217;t feel it is the responsibility of the taxpayers to rebuild yours. Katrina and Ike left many displaced, and pehaps for the better. NOLA is nearly 20 ft below sea level, so, maybe its not a good idea to LIVE there&#8230; if you take assistance from the government then you should have to move to a safer area. Hurricanes are responsible for a great deal of the economic prolems we see today, as insurance companies operate on risk- so does wall street. Its not entirely unlike gambling. I know people who bought into the interest only loans and moved into expensive houses they could not afford, and it is not the job of every person who had enough sense not to overspend to make your housepayment! Life is about choices- good or bad, there are consequences. Individual responsibility has to come into play at some point, or America becomes the spoiled rotten child that everybody hates to be around- and we are well on the way already.</p>
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