Comments on: Pity purchase http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:43:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Layla http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-403339 Layla Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:44:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-403339 Ooh, I love newspapers!! :) *AND* typewriters!! :) he he... It's interesting that a Spanish-language US newspaper/magazine for non-office-workers seems to thrive..? (At least I read so somewhere..) In a rural area with not everyone online newspapers may have a future too.. Also, what *IF* (big IF!) maybe Peak Oil and 'worst case' scenario happens, what if all internet suddenly disappears? hmm! Maybe we'd see the rise of the newspaper again? ;) I love the internet and easy accessibility of e-books and e-contents.. You can't wrap up warm chestnuts into a Kindle though.. Also, what about people who are hypersensitive to technology? Great points Patrizia! You can read a Kindle in the toilet, but you can't uhm.. substitute it in case if toilet paper runs out..??!! :) Ooh, I love newspapers!! :)

*AND* typewriters!! :) he he…

It’s interesting that a Spanish-language US newspaper/magazine for non-office-workers seems to thrive..? (At least I read so somewhere..)

In a rural area with not everyone online newspapers may have a future too..

Also, what *IF* (big IF!) maybe Peak Oil and ‘worst case’ scenario happens, what if all internet suddenly disappears? hmm!
Maybe we’d see the rise of the newspaper again? ;)

I love the internet and easy accessibility of e-books and e-contents..
You can’t wrap up warm chestnuts into a Kindle though..
Also, what about people who are hypersensitive to technology?

Great points Patrizia! You can read a Kindle in the toilet, but you can’t uhm.. substitute it in case if toilet paper runs out..??!! :)

]]> By: Jarvis offers a year of good ideas, summarized in one post — Zero Percent Idle http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-388361 Jarvis offers a year of good ideas, summarized in one post — Zero Percent Idle Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:49:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-388361 [...] but can select them every time we need to tell a story - and because journalism is no longer about preservation (it never should have been) but is instead about change and [...] [...] but can select them every time we need to tell a story – and because journalism is no longer about preservation (it never should have been) but is instead about change and [...]

]]> By: A scenario for news (Jeff Jarvis, Buzz Machine, 24/11/08) : Centro de Estudios de Medios http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-386076 A scenario for news (Jeff Jarvis, Buzz Machine, 24/11/08) : Centro de Estudios de Medios Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:38:44 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-386076 [...] but can select them every time we need to tell a story - and because journalism is no longer about preservation (it never should have been) but is instead about change and [...] [...] but can select them every time we need to tell a story – and because journalism is no longer about preservation (it never should have been) but is instead about change and [...]

]]> By: David Manning http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-386020 David Manning Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:36:00 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-386020 Um, so someone formed a Facebook group and you're taking that as indicative of everyone who loves newspapers wanting to make them a charity cause? There's a Facebook group for fans of bacon. Hell, I formed a Facebook group saying I'm a fan of myself. Anyone can form a Facebook group. They're not indicative of anything other than that the author has a Facebook account. Maybe you shouldn't take this as such a sign. Maybe, just maybe, there are people out there (and this is the secret bit) other than Jeff Jarvis (gasp!) who also realize newspapers need to be reinvented. They just haven't formed Facebook groups. Um, so someone formed a Facebook group and you’re taking that as indicative of everyone who loves newspapers wanting to make them a charity cause? There’s a Facebook group for fans of bacon. Hell, I formed a Facebook group saying I’m a fan of myself. Anyone can form a Facebook group. They’re not indicative of anything other than that the author has a Facebook account.

Maybe you shouldn’t take this as such a sign. Maybe, just maybe, there are people out there (and this is the secret bit) other than Jeff Jarvis (gasp!) who also realize newspapers need to be reinvented. They just haven’t formed Facebook groups.

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » A scenario for news http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385984 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » A scenario for news Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:17:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385984 [...] but can select them every time we need to tell a story - and because journalism is no longer about preservation (it never should have been) but is instead about change and [...] [...] but can select them every time we need to tell a story – and because journalism is no longer about preservation (it never should have been) but is instead about change and [...]

]]> By: Henk Blanken http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385957 Henk Blanken Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:07:37 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385957 This is the inconvenient truth about newspapers: most of the Google generation couldn't care less. The same applies for journalism. I've been a journalist for more than 30 years and I fully agree that the press is a very important thing for democracy. People need to be informed. But the first thing that journalists have to understand is that it's their opinion that they are of essence, it's not a fact, at least not for young people. And sure, this is not a 100 % truth. There are young people who care about journalism (ask any journalist under 30). But my guess is this unconvenient truth is a 99% truth. This is the inconvenient truth about newspapers: most of the Google generation couldn’t care less. The same applies for journalism. I’ve been a journalist for more than 30 years and I fully agree that the press is a very important thing for democracy. People need to be informed. But the first thing that journalists have to understand is that it’s their opinion that they are of essence, it’s not a fact, at least not for young people. And sure, this is not a 100 % truth. There are young people who care about journalism (ask any journalist under 30). But my guess is this unconvenient truth is a 99% truth.

]]> By: Patrizia Broghammer http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385954 Patrizia Broghammer Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:27:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385954 I do not think it is a matter of wanting or letting or not. I guess the newspapers (the ones on paper I mean) will die the moment they will put on the market (at a decent price) a reader (not too heavy) which will allow you to: 1) Have a decent size where to be able to read without scrolling every line. 2) Have nice colours, so that the printing paper will look much more expensive. 3) Allowing interaction if the paper is read online 4) May be having music in the background if desired. 5) Will have the possibility to be charged wirelessly. 6) You will be able to read them ALSO in the toilet. I do not think it is a matter of wanting or letting or not.
I guess the newspapers (the ones on paper I mean) will die the moment they will put on the market (at a decent price) a reader (not too heavy) which will allow you to:

1) Have a decent size where to be able to read without scrolling every line.
2) Have nice colours, so that the printing paper will look much more expensive.
3) Allowing interaction if the paper is read online
4) May be having music in the background if desired.
5) Will have the possibility to be charged wirelessly.
6) You will be able to read them ALSO in the toilet.

]]> By: kindle user http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385948 kindle user Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:49:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385948 Then again, if you read a news product for free all the time, you might think about how you can make sure it sticks around, click on an ad or something. I have never been a fan of the NPR news-held-hostage fund-raising model, but it has made me donate from time to time, so maybe newspaper web sites ought to force you to pony up something once in a while...For one week a month, throw up a subscription toll to get access w/o interruption. Otherwise you have to listen to a pitch for 20 minutes first. This way they don't go completely dark to the Web, but the free riders realize hey we do value something besides AP reports and half-accurate biased craptastic blogs, present company excluded. Then again, if you read a news product for free all the time, you might think about how you can make sure it sticks around, click on an ad or something. I have never been a fan of the NPR news-held-hostage fund-raising model, but it has made me donate from time to time, so maybe newspaper web sites ought to force you to pony up something once in a while…For one week a month, throw up a subscription toll to get access w/o interruption. Otherwise you have to listen to a pitch for 20 minutes first. This way they don’t go completely dark to the Web, but the free riders realize hey we do value something besides AP reports and half-accurate biased craptastic blogs, present company excluded.

]]> By: Tom Schneider http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385942 Tom Schneider Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:12:30 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385942 I suppose they could apply for some Endowment for the Arts grants? How much is good journalism like good poetry? I suppose they could apply for some Endowment for the Arts grants? How much is good journalism like good poetry?

]]> By: Trevor Carpenter http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385939 Trevor Carpenter Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:39:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385939 OK, Jeff, then <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=52945296344" rel="nofollow">join it</a>! (I just created said group; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=52945296344" rel="nofollow">Reinvent Newspapers</a>) OK, Jeff, then join it!

(I just created said group; Reinvent Newspapers)

]]> By: chris tackett http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385938 chris tackett Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:25:00 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385938 i shall start a group called "save the typewriters! help spread the word one carbon copy at a time!" i shall start a group called “save the typewriters! help spread the word one carbon copy at a time!”

]]> By: Daniel Rigby http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385935 Daniel Rigby Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:42:23 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385935 Schumpeters' "Creative Destruction" Schumpeters’ “Creative Destruction”

]]> By: dloye http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385934 dloye Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:23:37 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385934 The comment of buying newspapers as some sort of do gooderism reminds me of the arguments against acting out of pity. There's a time and a place, but buying a newspaper isn't fundamentally an act of charity. The comment of buying newspapers as some sort of do gooderism reminds me of the arguments against acting out of pity. There’s a time and a place, but buying a newspaper isn’t fundamentally an act of charity.

]]> By: The Lovable Rogue http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385933 The Lovable Rogue Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:03:30 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385933 Lots of people seem to be forgetting that competition is essentially a good thing; it brings about improvement. I've read Andrew Keen's 'Cult of the Amateur', and I understand that is difficult for people to lose their jobs, particularly in the current economic crisis, yet this process has been going on for hundreds of years. One industry is slowly superseded by another. There is absolutely nothing to say that print media will go out of business; provided they do what everyone else has to do by remaining competitive. Why not focus the efforts that are currently being put into campaigns such as those described above into identifying a means of remaining competitive. TLR Lots of people seem to be forgetting that competition is essentially a good thing; it brings about improvement. I’ve read Andrew Keen’s ‘Cult of the Amateur’, and I understand that is difficult for people to lose their jobs, particularly in the current economic crisis, yet this process has been going on for hundreds of years. One industry is slowly superseded by another. There is absolutely nothing to say that print media will go out of business; provided they do what everyone else has to do by remaining competitive. Why not focus the efforts that are currently being put into campaigns such as those described above into identifying a means of remaining competitive.

TLR

]]> By: Wille http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/22/pity-purchase/#comment-385932 Wille Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:40:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3877#comment-385932 Or newspapers could get a bailout by registering as bank holding companies and tap the tarp fund like everyone else Or newspapers could get a bailout by registering as bank holding companies and tap the tarp fund like everyone else

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