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	<title>Comments on: Poor Chicago</title>
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		<title>By: Nathan King</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-454418</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff I am doing a TV piece for Chinese TV on the repercussions of the hacking scandal on the US assets of News Corp, are you available for interview in NYC?

Regards Nathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff I am doing a TV piece for Chinese TV on the repercussions of the hacking scandal on the US assets of News Corp, are you available for interview in NYC?</p>
<p>Regards Nathan</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387346</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.archive.org/details/his_girl_friday&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;His Girl Friday&lt;/a&gt; is a move about the heyday of print. And it&#039;s free. Over the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.archive.org/details/his_girl_friday" rel="nofollow">His Girl Friday</a> is a move about the heyday of print. And it&#8217;s free. Over the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387277</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you were going someplace else with the post until I got to the last line.  The way i see it is that newspapers were greatest when they had the most competition. 10 or 15 newspapers in a city.  Then local monopolies. Then protected money machines.

As for the forms that have lasted. That could be seen as evidence of now innovation or evidence of lasting value.  I&#039;m going with some stuff of lasting value, surrounded by a lot of other stuff that was a way to make money, but created no real value.

So if that&#039;s true, then the issue for newspapers and journalists may not be to add features, but to strip away the barnacles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you were going someplace else with the post until I got to the last line.  The way i see it is that newspapers were greatest when they had the most competition. 10 or 15 newspapers in a city.  Then local monopolies. Then protected money machines.</p>
<p>As for the forms that have lasted. That could be seen as evidence of now innovation or evidence of lasting value.  I&#8217;m going with some stuff of lasting value, surrounded by a lot of other stuff that was a way to make money, but created no real value.</p>
<p>So if that&#8217;s true, then the issue for newspapers and journalists may not be to add features, but to strip away the barnacles.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike G</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387248</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go read newspapers from the 20s and 30s and you&#039;ll never believe that their heyday was in the 70s or 80s.  Yes, they may have done a lot of solid, New Yorkerish longform reporting then, but the time when they were alive, when they mattered in the lives of their cities, and when newspapers employed the best and brightest-- the Menckens, the Ben Hechts, the James Cains-- was decades before.

I&#039;ve noted this here before, but try to think of anything in popular culture that has lasted as long as Blondie.  And it even looks just like it did in 1938!  Try to imagine something that has been around that long unchanged in any other medium-- TV, radio, magazines, anything.  (Okay, maybe Paul Harvey.)  Try to imagine a TV show lasting since the 50s, with the same haircuts even.  That&#039;s all you need to know about how newspapers stopped innovating and attracting new audiences, right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go read newspapers from the 20s and 30s and you&#8217;ll never believe that their heyday was in the 70s or 80s.  Yes, they may have done a lot of solid, New Yorkerish longform reporting then, but the time when they were alive, when they mattered in the lives of their cities, and when newspapers employed the best and brightest&#8211; the Menckens, the Ben Hechts, the James Cains&#8211; was decades before.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noted this here before, but try to think of anything in popular culture that has lasted as long as Blondie.  And it even looks just like it did in 1938!  Try to imagine something that has been around that long unchanged in any other medium&#8211; TV, radio, magazines, anything.  (Okay, maybe Paul Harvey.)  Try to imagine a TV show lasting since the 50s, with the same haircuts even.  That&#8217;s all you need to know about how newspapers stopped innovating and attracting new audiences, right there.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Whither Entertainment Weekly?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387185</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Whither Entertainment Weekly?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I suppose I could look at this as the death of my baby or as a continuation of my print jinx. But if it&#8217;s true, I&#8217;d see it as a necessary metamorphosis. And no, that&#8217;s not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I suppose I could look at this as the death of my baby or as a continuation of my print jinx. But if it&#8217;s true, I&#8217;d see it as a necessary metamorphosis. And no, that&#8217;s not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387173</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Australian newspaper chain bought Trademe, New Zealand&#039;s equivalent of eBay, for NZD700m (around USD400m) in 2006.

Do you know how that deal fared?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Australian newspaper chain bought Trademe, New Zealand&#8217;s equivalent of eBay, for NZD700m (around USD400m) in 2006.</p>
<p>Do you know how that deal fared?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387158</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A salient point:  
Last night, I was lucky enough to attend a Q&amp;A session with Ted Turner in Atlanta.  

A question asked of Ted: &quot;What is the future of news and media?&quot;  

To paraphrase his response:  &quot;It&#039;s way too crowded and nobody can make any money anymore.  That&#039;s why I&#039;m now in the restaurant business.&quot;

Ted Turner didn&#039;t get rich by being stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A salient point:<br />
Last night, I was lucky enough to attend a Q&amp;A session with Ted Turner in Atlanta.  </p>
<p>A question asked of Ted: &#8220;What is the future of news and media?&#8221;  </p>
<p>To paraphrase his response:  &#8220;It&#8217;s way too crowded and nobody can make any money anymore.  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m now in the restaurant business.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ted Turner didn&#8217;t get rich by being stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Mainstream Press in Freefall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387153</link>
		<dc:creator>Mainstream Press in Freefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis argues that &#8220;Rupert Murdoch is now the great shining hope of journalism&#8221; because &#8220;Murdoch is the one mogul with brains willing to invest in journalism. But note well that he’s investing in national journalism.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis argues that &#8220;Rupert Murdoch is now the great shining hope of journalism&#8221; because &#8220;Murdoch is the one mogul with brains willing to invest in journalism. But note well that he’s investing in national journalism.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shirky&#8217;s thoughts on the fall of The Tribune Group act as a timely reminder of why understanding the structural failure of the newspaper industry remains key to its potential survival&#8230; &#187; Out With A Bang</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387151</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirky&#8217;s thoughts on the fall of The Tribune Group act as a timely reminder of why understanding the structural failure of the newspaper industry remains key to its potential survival&#8230; &#187; Out With A Bang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387150</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the scorn heaped on the folks who ran/run newspapers reminds me of the experience of the GM top brass in Washington.  Some of it might be deserved, but the implied notion that innovation is easy when you&#039;re running a large organization isn&#039;t fair. Nor is it helpful.

The fact is that the world is changing in completely new - to us - ways. Organizations that evolved in one environment  have a very hard time when that environment changes. The bigger they are, the more costly the change. Auto, Television, Newspapers, Finance, Advertising, Printing companies are all caught in a similar situation. If the whole Investment Banking business can disappear in a couple of weeks, it doesn&#039;t make sense to focus the blame the folks who run newspapers.

Not to say that they couldn&#039;t have done better. But the Googles and WalMarts are few and far between. It&#039;s always been like that. Probably will always be like that. 

Meanwhile, there are new models starting to emerge. Rupert seems to see some opportunity. His record in making money in the media is pretty good. And there are lots of new experiments on the ground. These days, things can scale very quickly.  Google, after all, is only ten years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the scorn heaped on the folks who ran/run newspapers reminds me of the experience of the GM top brass in Washington.  Some of it might be deserved, but the implied notion that innovation is easy when you&#8217;re running a large organization isn&#8217;t fair. Nor is it helpful.</p>
<p>The fact is that the world is changing in completely new &#8211; to us &#8211; ways. Organizations that evolved in one environment  have a very hard time when that environment changes. The bigger they are, the more costly the change. Auto, Television, Newspapers, Finance, Advertising, Printing companies are all caught in a similar situation. If the whole Investment Banking business can disappear in a couple of weeks, it doesn&#8217;t make sense to focus the blame the folks who run newspapers.</p>
<p>Not to say that they couldn&#8217;t have done better. But the Googles and WalMarts are few and far between. It&#8217;s always been like that. Probably will always be like that. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, there are new models starting to emerge. Rupert seems to see some opportunity. His record in making money in the media is pretty good. And there are lots of new experiments on the ground. These days, things can scale very quickly.  Google, after all, is only ten years old.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387141</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, since you&#039;re so good at killing off newspapers, is there any chance you could come work for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.signonsandiego.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Union/Tribune&lt;/a&gt;? It sorely needs to be put out of our misery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, since you&#8217;re so good at killing off newspapers, is there any chance you could come work for the <a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com" rel="nofollow">Union/Tribune</a>? It sorely needs to be put out of our misery.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387128</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard,
I apologize then. i did not recall hearing you say that to Dave when I was there. But I have heard Pruitt say similar things at more than one event. I do think that he has at least been very late in recognizing the gravity of the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard,<br />
I apologize then. i did not recall hearing you say that to Dave when I was there. But I have heard Pruitt say similar things at more than one event. I do think that he has at least been very late in recognizing the gravity of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: robert ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rupert Murdoch is now the great shining hope of journalism&quot;

He controls a product which for now provides an unmet need, detailed business content.  FT.com and IBD.com do the same thing.  I don&#039;t think one can extrapolate a general news business model from that, other than to say, for-profit general interest journalism is economically unsustainable without subsidy.

-robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rupert Murdoch is now the great shining hope of journalism&#8221;</p>
<p>He controls a product which for now provides an unmet need, detailed business content.  FT.com and IBD.com do the same thing.  I don&#8217;t think one can extrapolate a general news business model from that, other than to say, for-profit general interest journalism is economically unsustainable without subsidy.</p>
<p>-robert</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Weaver</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387118</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop saying this; it&#039;s wrong:

&quot;McClatchy keeps arguing, with ear plugs well stuffed and blinders tight, that the problems in the industry are not fundamental but cyclical (as Dave Morgan said to that at my New Business Models for News Summit, “bullshit”).&quot;

As you know, I was there at your conference, and called Dave on his mischaracterization immediately after he spoke. The Pruitt quote he cited was taken wholly out of context (I know; I heard the whole earnings call). Pruitt was talking about many of the effects OF THE LAST YEAR being cyclical. Morgan acknowledged as much to me, but said he wanted to make the general point and Gary&#039;s quote was freshest.

As recently as yesterday, Pruitt said on Wall Street, &quot;&quot;We recognize that part of our advertising decline is permanent -- reflecting the secular shift to the Internet. Another part is temporary -- reflecting the cyclical nature of our business in a recession,&quot; Pruitt said.&quot;

Your comments about earplugs and blinders are beyond cheap shots, Jeff. They&#039;re becoming willful, hurtful lies. Facts matter, dammit.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop saying this; it&#8217;s wrong:</p>
<p>&#8220;McClatchy keeps arguing, with ear plugs well stuffed and blinders tight, that the problems in the industry are not fundamental but cyclical (as Dave Morgan said to that at my New Business Models for News Summit, “bullshit”).&#8221;</p>
<p>As you know, I was there at your conference, and called Dave on his mischaracterization immediately after he spoke. The Pruitt quote he cited was taken wholly out of context (I know; I heard the whole earnings call). Pruitt was talking about many of the effects OF THE LAST YEAR being cyclical. Morgan acknowledged as much to me, but said he wanted to make the general point and Gary&#8217;s quote was freshest.</p>
<p>As recently as yesterday, Pruitt said on Wall Street, &#8220;&#8221;We recognize that part of our advertising decline is permanent &#8212; reflecting the secular shift to the Internet. Another part is temporary &#8212; reflecting the cyclical nature of our business in a recession,&#8221; Pruitt said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your comments about earplugs and blinders are beyond cheap shots, Jeff. They&#8217;re becoming willful, hurtful lies. Facts matter, dammit.</p>
<p>\-\/\/</p>
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		<title>By: Eyeing journalism&#8217;s future, unblinkered &#171; Ink-Drained Kvetch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyeing journalism&#8217;s future, unblinkered &#171; Ink-Drained Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As the elegies for newspapers continue, so will abuse &#8212; and ridicule &#8212; be heaped on us for not having the foresight of others to see what was coming. That&#8217;s to be expected, but I&#8217;m not looking back at the newspaper world that I left behind. And frankly, I don&#8217;t care who&#8217;s to blame any more, because there&#8217;s plenty to go around. The time should be past for that, and for saying silly things like the &#8220;news has cooties.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As the elegies for newspapers continue, so will abuse &#8212; and ridicule &#8212; be heaped on us for not having the foresight of others to see what was coming. That&#8217;s to be expected, but I&#8217;m not looking back at the newspaper world that I left behind. And frankly, I don&#8217;t care who&#8217;s to blame any more, because there&#8217;s plenty to go around. The time should be past for that, and for saying silly things like the &#8220;news has cooties.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy (aka annieo)</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387113</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy (aka annieo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,

Just heard you on The Diane Rehm Show, the first time I&#039;ve actually heard you speak. You&#039;re right on about the newspaper industry.

Over the past couple of years, I&#039;ve read some of your columns here and seen you and your commentary elsewhere on the internet. We may have corresponded in the past. It was good to hear your pithy insight into the newspaper industry this morning on NPR.

BTW, I love your comment about the Tribune co-workers sitting Shiva for their former colleague who went to the Sun-Times.

Thank you for being at the forefront of the new era of print journalism.

Nancy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>Just heard you on The Diane Rehm Show, the first time I&#8217;ve actually heard you speak. You&#8217;re right on about the newspaper industry.</p>
<p>Over the past couple of years, I&#8217;ve read some of your columns here and seen you and your commentary elsewhere on the internet. We may have corresponded in the past. It was good to hear your pithy insight into the newspaper industry this morning on NPR.</p>
<p>BTW, I love your comment about the Tribune co-workers sitting Shiva for their former colleague who went to the Sun-Times.</p>
<p>Thank you for being at the forefront of the new era of print journalism.</p>
<p>Nancy</p>
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		<title>By: Danny L. McDaniel</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/10/poor-chicago/#comment-387105</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny L. McDaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody mentions the 13 billion dollar debt Zell saddled the Tribune Company with after his purchase of the enterprise. Digital age or not, that is alot of debt maintenace for any business to maintain and finance. This had everything to do with irresponsible and greedy financing for a quick buck than a &quot;dying industry.&quot;

Danny L. McDaniel
Lafayette, Indiana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody mentions the 13 billion dollar debt Zell saddled the Tribune Company with after his purchase of the enterprise. Digital age or not, that is alot of debt maintenace for any business to maintain and finance. This had everything to do with irresponsible and greedy financing for a quick buck than a &#8220;dying industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Danny L. McDaniel<br />
Lafayette, Indiana</p>
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		<title>By: Morning Links: December 10, 2008 &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morning Links: December 10, 2008 &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis responds to the Tribune bankruptcy. A smart piece, I think, but I&#8217;d quarrel with this:  Some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You also left TV Guide off your jinx list of failed publications that you have worked for...glad to see you are back in the states</description>
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