Comments on: Guardian column: Ditchley and the market demand for journalism http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/15/guardian-column-ditchley-and-the-market-demand-for-journalism/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Newspaper subsidy? Try this… « BuzzMachine http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/15/guardian-column-ditchley-and-the-market-demand-for-journalism/#comment-389749 Newspaper subsidy? Try this… « BuzzMachine Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:10:52 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3915#comment-389749 [...] for every 18-year-old Frenchman—on top of the €280 per year it gives them now. The U.K. is dancing around the topic of government support for regional papers. And the argument over government bailout of [...] [...] for every 18-year-old Frenchman—on top of the €280 per year it gives them now. The U.K. is dancing around the topic of government support for regional papers. And the argument over government bailout of [...]

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]]> By: Edward Barrera http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/15/guardian-column-ditchley-and-the-market-demand-for-journalism/#comment-387365 Edward Barrera Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:51:39 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3915#comment-387365 No one doubts there are people who will pay for specialized news, look at Bloomberg, but what about the general populace? Especially the younger ones who are used to getting everything for free. Politico just announced a deal with Reuters that could be a model, but not everyone can or should be writing about what is happening in Washington D.C. Outside of the nonprofits or benevolent patron, journalists need to start working now for where they will be in five years. In the tech world, a model is get a good idea, put it up, keep costs low, don't expect to make any money your first year, keep your day job. Unfortunately, most journalists can't follow that path unless they want to specialize in something completely separate from their own newspaper. No one doubts there are people who will pay for specialized news, look at Bloomberg, but what about the general populace? Especially the younger ones who are used to getting everything for free.
Politico just announced a deal with Reuters that could be a model, but not everyone can or should be writing about what is happening in Washington D.C.
Outside of the nonprofits or benevolent patron, journalists need to start working now for where they will be in five years. In the tech world, a model is get a good idea, put it up, keep costs low, don’t expect to make any money your first year, keep your day job.
Unfortunately, most journalists can’t follow that path unless they want to specialize in something completely separate from their own newspaper.

]]> By: Bob Wyman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/15/guardian-column-ditchley-and-the-market-demand-for-journalism/#comment-387364 Bob Wyman Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:10:18 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3915#comment-387364 "is [there] a market demand ... for quality journalism"? What a silly question! Of course there is! One only needs to look to the "high-end" news market where many specialized news services charge annual subscription rates of thousands of dollars. People demand good journalism and are often willing to pay big bucks for it. Even in the "low-end" market for "free" news, it is clear that there is great demand. Every survey of what people do online shows that people read news, blog about it, search for it, etc. As the Internet has enabled and taught our society to seek and value information, news is now more in demand than it ever has been. The demand shouldn't be questioned. Rather, one should be asking which business models and industry structures best support satisfying the clearly tremendous demand. The problem is one of market failure -- failure on the part of some producers to figure out how to profitably satisfy the demand in the broad, low-end market. bob wyman “is [there] a market demand … for quality journalism”? What a silly question! Of course there is! One only needs to look to the “high-end” news market where many specialized news services charge annual subscription rates of thousands of dollars. People demand good journalism and are often willing to pay big bucks for it. Even in the “low-end” market for “free” news, it is clear that there is great demand. Every survey of what people do online shows that people read news, blog about it, search for it, etc. As the Internet has enabled and taught our society to seek and value information, news is now more in demand than it ever has been.

The demand shouldn’t be questioned. Rather, one should be asking which business models and industry structures best support satisfying the clearly tremendous demand. The problem is one of market failure — failure on the part of some producers to figure out how to profitably satisfy the demand in the broad, low-end market.

bob wyman

]]> By: RickWaghorn http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/15/guardian-column-ditchley-and-the-market-demand-for-journalism/#comment-387362 RickWaghorn Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:07:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3915#comment-387362 Charlie/Jeff, Be lovely to think that... the optimistic networked journalism advocates are now pushing at an open door... Having, finally and very gratefully, found an open door at Channel Four/4iP, be nice to find one at NESTA, EEDA, or, indeed, Barclays Bank (Loddon)... But state subsidies for local newspapers... Well, if you're feeding TrinityMirror, Johnston, Gannett (!), etc with one hand, you better likewise be feeding me and my networked, green shoot ilk with the other. I can do www.mylocalwriter.com/ts10; can Trinity do www.nr14-gazettelive.co.uk/local_news? http://outwithabang.rickwaghorn.co.uk/?p=196 All the best, etc... Charlie/Jeff,

Be lovely to think that… the optimistic networked journalism advocates are now pushing at an open door…

Having, finally and very gratefully, found an open door at Channel Four/4iP, be nice to find one at NESTA, EEDA, or, indeed, Barclays Bank (Loddon)…

But state subsidies for local newspapers… Well, if you’re feeding TrinityMirror, Johnston, Gannett (!), etc with one hand, you better likewise be feeding me and my networked, green shoot ilk with the other.

I can do http://www.mylocalwriter.com/ts10; can Trinity do http://www.nr14-gazettelive.co.uk/local_news?

http://outwithabang.rickwaghorn.co.uk/?p=196

All the best, etc…

]]> By: Charlie Beckett http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/12/15/guardian-column-ditchley-and-the-market-demand-for-journalism/#comment-387349 Charlie Beckett Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:38:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3915#comment-387349 Hi Jeff, What surprised me about the Ditchley gathering was the sense that optimistic networked journalism advocates are now pushing at an open door. For example, the BBC is already starting to open itself up to partnership with other media organisations and to integrating much more citizen journalism. It's a start. And this is global. I've just got back from Kenya and it is clear that new media technology (mobile phones mainly) are transforming business models and production practices for journalism in Africa. The mix there is of a booming private media sector and some excellent community projects backed in part by the third (not public) sector. greetings from you 'Cousin', cheers Charlie Beckett Hi Jeff,
What surprised me about the Ditchley gathering was the sense that optimistic networked journalism advocates are now pushing at an open door. For example, the BBC is already starting to open itself up to partnership with other media organisations and to integrating much more citizen journalism. It’s a start.
And this is global. I’ve just got back from Kenya and it is clear that new media technology (mobile phones mainly) are transforming business models and production practices for journalism in Africa. The mix there is of a booming private media sector and some excellent community projects backed in part by the third (not public) sector.
greetings from you ‘Cousin’,
cheers
Charlie Beckett

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