Comments on: LA Times followup

By: Carnival of Journalism: Are we asking the right questions about online revenue models? | Invisible Inkling

Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:28:55 +0000

[...] Whether the current online revenue of a giant newspaper could support its newsroom staff. I think that’s an apples/oranges problem. Shutting down the press is not a hydraulic maneuver — it does not occur in a vacuum — it affects brand and upsell revenue and staffing and all sorts of parts move and grind against each other when you flip that switch on a large scale. So, looking at two columns in a spreadsheet and saying “oh, they match” is a bit simplistic for my taste. [...]

By: Interim Management Jobs

Interim Management Jobs — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:16:39 +0000

Many a times, those, who do not actually do not work until midnight and only pretend so, are also found “waltz”ing in after lunch.

By: January Carnival of Journalism - How to support journalism online financially « DigiDave - Journalism is a Process, Not a Product

Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:49:03 +0000

[...] realities: Advertising dollars are still needed – so I’m glad that the LA Times has reached a new level of sustainability. Spot.Us and “community funded reporting” cannot sustain an entire newsroom or an [...]

By: Die Zukunft der Nachrichten, oder: Telekolleg 2.0 « ostroplog - Das Weblog von Philipp Ostrop

Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:32:55 +0000

[...] Geld wie die gesamte (Print- und Online-)Redaktion kostet. Daraufhin war vor ein paar Wochen die Diskussion entbrannt, ob die LA-Times nicht einfach ihre Druckerpressen abschalten sollte (Antwort: Natürlich [...]

By: Will Sommer - News site ads: drop display, move to e-mail and video

Will Sommer - News site ads: drop display, move to e-mail and video — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:46:28 +0000

[...] post was the above chart. For a while, I have been hanging my hopes on the LA Times, where online revenues are now enough to fund all of editorial. If a massive organization like the Times can fund its content-production with online ads alone, [...]

By: Listen to the high school kids « From the Millennial’s Mouth

Listen to the high school kids « From the Millennial’s Mouth — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:40:55 +0000

[...] Web has won. And bonus: we can still make money there! The Web is becoming another apendange for most people, particularly those in my generation. To have [...]

By: » Is David Carr a troll? | The Journalism Iconoclast

» Is David Carr a troll? | The Journalism Iconoclast — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:05:39 +0000

[...] the LA Times? — Has Carr forgotten about how the LA Times online revenues are now enough to cover its entire editorial operations? Whoops. We don’t need an iTunes for news to keep [...]

By: seattle’s favorite daily paper might be for sale [developing] | Seattle Metblogs

Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:08:44 +0000

[...] Times recently claiming that their online revenue is sufficient to meet their editorial payroll [buzzmachine], this option isn’t entirely impossible. Ditching print certainly wouldn’t be ideal, [...]

By: Hohe Online-Einnahmen bei der L.A. Times | killefit.net

Hohe Online-Einnahmen bei der L.A. Times | killefit.net — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:25:32 +0000

[...] Wie sie das dort geschafft haben, verrät er dem Medienprofessor Jeff Jarvis: Unter anderem mit professioneller Fortbildung in neuen Medien bei den Redakteuren (CMS-Benutzung, SEO, Videos einbinden und editieren etc.), aber auch der Einbindung von Blogs. Letztere werden mit wenigen Ausnahmen von den Redakteuren betrieben und verhelfen dem Online-Auftritt der Zeitung inzwischen zu 16% ihrer Pageviews (weiteres siehe hier). [...]

By: Saving Newspapers « Cindy’s Take on Tech

Saving Newspapers « Cindy’s Take on Tech — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:27:30 +0000

[...] of recent news, that the LA Times has been able to generate fairly substantial online revenue. In LA Times followup, Jarvis posts comments from editor Russ Stanton regarding the secrets to their success, including [...]

By: dvafoto - M. Scott Brauer and Matt Lutton › A Christmas miracle for the LA Times? Not so fast…

Sat, 27 Dec 2008 03:25:48 +0000

[...] This is being widely noted (most links go to this Recovering Journalist post), and Jeff Jarvis has some followup with [...]

By: JB Ingold

JB Ingold — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:41:38 +0000

45% are missing
45% =100 – 15-50
15% payroll of the on-line and print redaction
50% printing cost

It’s not sustainable.

You can’t consider living on ads without marketing and sales-person + expenses ..

LA Times have been very adamant to be national not a local. Being both and East and West Coast paper. The result is encouraging but far from reaching the scale it needed. Last result are quite bad. http://trends.google.com/websites?q=www.latimes.com&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

Nothing to compare with NYT (in bad position) http://trends.google.com/websites?q=www.nytimes.com,www.latimes.com&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

By: Ari Herzog

Ari Herzog — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:06:03 +0000

LA Times aside, how can their success be attempted in other markets, especially at papers where editors are essentially Luddites and have limited RSS feeds, no Twitter accounts, and zero desire to blog?

By: RubenR

RubenR — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:56:17 +0000

I’m w/Ann B.
If the LA Times is making these public boasts it should release the relevant numbers so people can independently evaluate them. I’m skeptical of this “good news.,” and suspect like everything out ot Tribune lately it’s more smoke and mirrors.
Tribune is a financial disaster of epic proportions. All the kings blogs and all the king’s “secret sauce” can’t put Zell’s kingdom back together again.

By: AnnB

AnnB — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:35:13 +0000

This strikes me as very strange. We’ve been hearing forever that online advertising pays pennies to the paper dollar and now, suddenly, with no explanation — beyond something very vague about a data expert’s secret sauce — it looks as if everything’s going to be okay.

Honestly, I would like to see the LA Times’ books because this sounds like something Bernie Madoff would cook up.

It also reminds me a bit of when you used to sing About.com’s praises, which I notice hasn’t happened recently. You described them as the only bright spot on the NYT’s P and L statement. Despite my lack of enthusiasm for About.com, that seemed to me to be a good thing. After all, if a mediocre content producer like About.com could be more profitable than the NYT, just figure out its business model and presto, problem over

When I looked into it a little further, I came to the conclusion that About.com’s profitability was largely due to its spammy, sploggy pages, which far outnumber its “content”pages. As a business strategy, that’s unsustainable, which is probably why we’re now hearing less about About.com’s successes.

Anyway, colour me deeply sceptical about this LA Times news. I’d like to believe it but it just doesn’t seem to add up.

By: Vladimir Cole / Vlad Cole / VC » The opportunity in the newspaper downfall

Vladimir Cole / Vlad Cole / VC » The opportunity in the newspaper downfall — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:45:34 +0000

[...] which has some of them earnestly working to reinvent themselves (the LA Times, for instance, announced that digital revenues now cover newsroom payroll!). The survivors will be much, much stronger and [...]

By: Andrew Golis » Blog Archive » links for 2008-12-23

Andrew Golis » Blog Archive » links for 2008-12-23 — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:01:31 +0000

[...] LA Times followup LAT did 138 million pageviews in November. (tags: latimes metrics newspaper new.media buzzmachine jeff.jarvis) [...]

By: Terry Heaton

Terry Heaton — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:49:16 +0000

Great step in the right direction. I love that the blog network is a key component of this. Covering the editorial side is a pretty big deal, but it’s still a long way to go. Congrats, LATimes.

By: LA Times web revenue meets entire editorial payroll | Bitten Nails Illustration

Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:24:38 +0000

[...] via [buzzmachine.com] [...]

By: James H

James H — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:47:15 +0000

I was a copy editor for five years, and I never “waltzed in right after lunch.” More like “frantically edited and designed until deadline.”

By: Howard Owens

Howard Owens — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:57:17 +0000

Just want to add a hail huzzah for my friends Tony Pierce and Meredith Artley for getting the public recognition they deserve from Mr. Stanton.

By: Rob Cotter

Rob Cotter — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:43:52 +0000

The web site of one of my clients reaches 1 million unique monthly visitors and earns 6-figures/year. And he’s writing about rock and heavy metal music. ONE GUY. The newsroom of the future is definitely on its way. I would simply encourage the big boys to hire compelling voices. Granted, I am referring here to a blogger but it wouldn’t take much time to groom more journalists out of the mess that is new media these days.

By: Bradley J. Fikes

Bradley J. Fikes — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:20:30 +0000

That is excellent news, Andrew, and thank you for responding with it. Maybe journalism isn’t doomed after all!

By: Jeff Jarvis

Jeff Jarvis — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:18:22 +0000

Amy,
Jeesh. Copy editors never could take a joke.

By: Saved by the net? « The Ledger is Burning

Saved by the net? « The Ledger is Burning — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:12:38 +0000

[...] on the short list of those expected to fail in the next year or so. Today, according to a report on Buzzmachine, it’s web revenue covers the entire editorial [...]