Comments on: A danger to journalism

By: Can links kill? | Richard Hartley

Can links kill? | Richard Hartley — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:17:40 +0000

[...] on earth are they smoking at GateHouse?"GateHouse is turning away traffic and audience. Suicide," writes new-media champion (and Guardian columnist) Jeff Jarvis on his blog, Buzz Machine. "But it's also [...]

By: Hold onto your hats, folks, I’m siding with GateHouse on this one « Peoria Pundit

Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:09:19 +0000

[...] Javis was especially harsh: The more I think about it, the angrier I get at Gatehouse for its dangerous and hypocritical [...]

By: Der BetaBlog im temporären Exil auf Hundertfünfzig Worte

Der BetaBlog im temporären Exil auf Hundertfünfzig Worte — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:53:16 +0000

[...] Vorgehen von GateHouse ist trotzdem, wie ein ziemlich wütender Jeff Jarvis bemerkte, dumm und gefährlich. Dumm, weil GateHouse sich damit um den Teil des Traffics auf ihrer Website, [...]

By: ArticleSave :: Uncategorized :: Hyperlinks: The End of Online Journalism?

ArticleSave :: Uncategorized :: Hyperlinks: The End of Online Journalism? — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:06:12 +0000

[...] Jarvis, who has been following the case on his blog BuzzMachine sees this as a danger to journalism. Many people would agree. “Gatehouse should be sucking Boston.com’s toes begging for [...]

By: A copyright lawsuit filed by Gatehouse media against the New York Times co over link aggregation at boston.com is settled. » Metue

Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:57:39 +0000

[...] case was filed, it was captured on the wires of the blogosphere and quickly challenged for being dangerous to frivolous and unfounded. Links being part of the lifeblood of the digital news industry, [...]

By: A ignorância sobre o que é a Internet « Webmanário

A ignorância sobre o que é a Internet « Webmanário — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:51:09 +0000

[...] disse Jarvis, a Gatehouse Media deveria estar agradecendo ao Globe (de propriedade do New York Times), e não o processando. Certamente seus sites estão recebendo [...]

By: GateHouse exec Kirk Davis: “What do you think, we’re stupid? Of course we like linking” » Nieman Journalism Lab » Pushing to the Future of Journalism

Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:04:54 +0000

[...] under a Creative Content license, but its lawsuit against The Times Co. has been criticized by Jeff Jarvis and [...]

By: Hyperlinks: The End of Online Journalism? | google android os blog

Hyperlinks: The End of Online Journalism? | google android os blog — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:45:07 +0000

By: Hyperlinks: The End of Online Journalism? | google android os blog

Hyperlinks: The End of Online Journalism? | google android os blog — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:45:06 +0000

By: Howard Owens: “They would probably win on that one” » Nieman Journalism Lab » Pushing to the Future of Journalism

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:09:08 +0000

[...] GateHouse filed its original complaint in November, the company was roundly criticized across the blogosphere for pushing back against the culture of linking that has come to [...]

By: Craig McGill: PR, Writing, Tech and Mass Media » A thought on papers linking all over the place

Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:54:45 +0000

[...] what caught my eye was this comment by Jeff Jarvis: “they will allow a local publication to do local well and link to other stories rather than rewriting…: Do what you do best, link to the [...]

By: Bagno di sangue nel 2009 per i giornali di carta « OnestaMente

Bagno di sangue nel 2009 per i giornali di carta « OnestaMente — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:00:10 +0000

[...] di GateHouse, sottolineano esperti del settore come Jeff Jarvis, è un atteggiamento incompatibile con le attività online. Ma [...]

By: ippimail.com » Blog Archive » Dan Kennedy: Dispute between New York Times and GateHouse Media could determine online journalism’s future

Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:11:20 +0000

[...] is turning away traffic and audience. Suicide,” writes new-media champion (and Guardian columnist) Jeff Jarvis on his blog, Buzz Machine. “But [...]

By: Stilgherrian · Links for 22 December 2008 through 27 December 2008

Stilgherrian · Links for 22 December 2008 through 27 December 2008 — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:04:17 +0000

[...] A danger to journalism | BuzzMachine: A wonderful rant about the anti-journalistic practice of not allowing links. Jeff is rather strong on “the link economy”. [...]

By: GateHouse Media takes on the New York Times Company | Daily Loaf

GateHouse Media takes on the New York Times Company | Daily Loaf — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:25:15 +0000

[...] Jarvis of BuzzMachine doesn’t mince any words in his blog post, A Danger to Journalism: But Gatehouse (like the AP before it and the French often) is fighting links from Boston.com. [...]

By: Stan Hogan

Stan Hogan — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:42:50 +0000

Yes, linking feeds our Web traffic and drives our page views, which sets our ad rates. Clever newspaper Web sites are taking full advantage of this opportunity.

Unfortunately, newspaper people are also drowning in the folly of chasing the Internet buck. The return is weak. Weak and disposable.

We’ve devalued our products and made other people rich in the process. We’ve done this on the advice of people like Jarvis. He doesn’t get it and makes a living proving that.

All newspapers should pull their content from the Web then watch what happens to the bottom feeders. They’ll be clammoring for content like it was 1998.

Print-only newspapers can then work on maintaining their 20 percent to 35 profit margins. The culture of free on the Internet should have created a market of crap. Jarvis and his ilk saw otherwise and newspapers are paying the price for paying attention to the man behind the curtain.

By: Jeff Jarvis

Jeff Jarvis — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:14:01 +0000

Copying whole stories without permission: unfair.
Linking to stories with their best ads – their headlines and ledes, the same as used in RSS feeds – not only fair but generous and necessary to the infrastructure of the web and journalism in the future.

By: Dan Kennedy

Dan Kennedy — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:39:21 +0000

Jeff:

I don’t have a dog in this fight. My general feeling is that nothing good comes out of lawsuits, and I wish GateHouse hadn’t taken it to that level. But as Warren points out, this is not about linking to a story with a headline and a lede.

This is about one company — GateHouse — trying to put together portals for each of its communities, and another — the Times Co. — linking to virtually everything of value on the GateHouse sites in an attempt to substitute its own sites for GateHouse’s.

Surely the act of linking does not bestow sainthood. Can’t there be good and bad linking practices? Fair and unfair?

The bottom line may be that the Times Co. went too far and GateHouse overreacted.

By: Jeff Jarvis

Jeff Jarvis — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:40:56 +0000

If you want respect, give it, Warreny.

I do understand their side and I think the nuance also includes politics (a former employee going to the other side).
But with all respect, I also think in the effort to go against the grain – seeing Gatehouse’s side – I think you are underestimating the danger of what they are doing.

By: Jeff Jarvis

Jeff Jarvis — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:33:55 +0000

You’re both scaring me. If linking to a story with a headline and a lede or similar excerpt is theft, then the web and the blogosphere are doomed. Hyperventilating? Call it what you will. What Gatehouse is doing is dangeorus and stupid and clueless and I’ll come up with a few more adjectives after tonight’s wine. This seeing-two-sides meme in this case is itself dangerous, for it gives credence to an action that is destructive of the very future of journalism. You bet I’ll hyperventilate. We on the web and in new should be picketing Gatehouse.

By: Dan Kennedy

Dan Kennedy — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:28:10 +0000

Jeff: Rather than trying your test, why don't you take a close look at the specifics of this case? They're complicated, and can't be boiled down to a simple matter of who is "clueless" and who is not. I've blogged about it a lot over the past few days, but let me start by recommending a post by your friend Dan Gillmor, who grasps the nuances quite well.

By: Links are Good. « Wir sprechen Online.

Links are Good. « Wir sprechen Online. — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:01:39 +0000

[...] “Links are the bloodstream of the web, carrying its oxygen. … Links are good.” – http://is.gd/da1d [...]

By: Jeff Jarvis

Jeff Jarvis — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:15:04 +0000

Stop:
Try this test: Take away all the linkers (and aggregators and search engines) and where would newspaper sites be? Without most of their audience, traffic, and revenue. You can’t apply the rules of an old media architecture to a new one; you have to adapt and find opportunity where you can. This is no longer a closed, controlled, monopolistic architecture. Those days are over and it isn’t HuffingtonPost’s or craiglists’ fault; it is the reality of the internet. The great news, below, is that the LA Times’ web revenue is matching the editorial payroll; there’s the light at the end of the tunnel for journalism (but not for pressmen and drivers).

By: Stop the Lies

Stop the Lies — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:15:37 +0000

Call me a Luddite, but with 21,000 lost journalism jobs this year, the web has been nothing but a black hole for journalism. Newser and HuffPo are thieves. Other aggregator sites are parasites. What else do you call it when a site takes someone else’s work and runs ads around it. Search ads are the only ads with any traction. Display ads are worth fractions of pennies.
I agree newspapers were idiots not to see it. I agree it is too late to turn back. But that doesn’t make it any less a massive mistake. The promise of newspaper web sites as the future is a lie. It’s time to stop lying. Detroit is going to die. The Rocky is going to die. Miami is going to die. The LA Times is going to be a drooling comatose version of itself.
No one is going to pay for content when they can get it free. Only when we’re down to a handful of creators will the aggregators run dry. Will they then become creators – true creators with reporting and all the costs, not just blowhard riffers off someone else’s work? There may be a few, non-profits or high minded citizens with a wad of cash and time to spare. wandering in the wood like the characters in Fahrenheit 451. But “news” will be big business websites masquerading as news, marketing whore websites and thousands of soapbox sites peddling outright lies and bogus theories. What is just so amazing is how fast it is all happening. Months, not years. God help us.

By: GateHouse: Don’t Link Me, That’s Wicked!

GateHouse: Don’t Link Me, That’s Wicked! — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:24:07 +0000

[...] any case the whole thing is idiotic. Everyone knows that websites link to each other and that’s how the web works. This case is reminiscent – as Mathew Ingram points out – of [...]