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		<title>By: Why a Newspaper Should Hire &#8220;The Enemy&#8221; &#171; Caffeinated Marketing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why a Newspaper Should Hire &#8220;The Enemy&#8221; &#171; Caffeinated Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are failing and loosing money (notice, I didn&#8217;t say dying) and they need to figure out where their revenue is going to come [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bad news good news BuzzMachine &#124; Wood TV Stand</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-395674</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad news good news BuzzMachine &#124; Wood TV Stand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bad news good news BuzzMachine   Posted by root 1 hour 40 minutes ago (http://www.buzzmachine.com)        I 39 ll make this brief and only comment on the subject it a carbon copy of ads even on restroom stalls and shopping carts purchase receipts etc get rid of the dead wood fire the ceo without any severance package buzzmachine is proudly powered by wordpres        Discuss&#160;  &#124;&#160; Bury &#124;&#160;    News &#124; Bad news good news BuzzMachine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bad news good news BuzzMachine   Posted by root 1 hour 40 minutes ago (<a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.buzzmachine.com</a>)        I 39 ll make this brief and only comment on the subject it a carbon copy of ads even on restroom stalls and shopping carts purchase receipts etc get rid of the dead wood fire the ceo without any severance package buzzmachine is proudly powered by wordpres        Discuss&nbsp;  |&nbsp; Bury |&nbsp;    News | Bad news good news BuzzMachine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: [Kid Inspiration] - &#187; Bye Bye Newspaper</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-389244</link>
		<dc:creator>[Kid Inspiration] - &#187; Bye Bye Newspaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can read more in one of my must read blogs Buzzmachine by Jeff [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-389164</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Stan, Lee bought Pulitzer while McClatchey gorged on Knight-Ridder. Result is the same for  both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Stan, Lee bought Pulitzer while McClatchey gorged on Knight-Ridder. Result is the same for  both.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-389051</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its crap that we dont hear the real news.Even local news is a joke.Is there a place to go to get the real storys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its crap that we dont hear the real news.Even local news is a joke.Is there a place to go to get the real storys.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-389002</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McClatchey presents a perfect example of gross mismanagement. In 1999 its shares traded at $39. Now they are 39 cents.  In 2005, when any sentient person knew that metro newspapers were in their death throws, McClatchey borrowed $1.6 billion and bought out the Pulitzers. Even though most of their smaller papers are (and were) doing well, the debt load is pulling the company under. Meanwhile, the woman who engineered this disastrous deal continues to run the near bankrupt company pulling down millions of dollars a year in salary. The company&#039;s prospects and problems have nothing to do with innovation, but everything to do with management stupidity, and the fact that failure is rewarded over and over again in the boardrooms of American capitalism. No one is held accountable, except the lower level employees who suffer the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McClatchey presents a perfect example of gross mismanagement. In 1999 its shares traded at $39. Now they are 39 cents.  In 2005, when any sentient person knew that metro newspapers were in their death throws, McClatchey borrowed $1.6 billion and bought out the Pulitzers. Even though most of their smaller papers are (and were) doing well, the debt load is pulling the company under. Meanwhile, the woman who engineered this disastrous deal continues to run the near bankrupt company pulling down millions of dollars a year in salary. The company&#8217;s prospects and problems have nothing to do with innovation, but everything to do with management stupidity, and the fact that failure is rewarded over and over again in the boardrooms of American capitalism. No one is held accountable, except the lower level employees who suffer the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388978</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff -- I noticed you don&#039;t have much data on the state of broadcast news.  Given that 70% of Americans rely on TV for national/international news (so says Pew), that seems to be a big omission in your data.

Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8212; I noticed you don&#8217;t have much data on the state of broadcast news.  Given that 70% of Americans rely on TV for national/international news (so says Pew), that seems to be a big omission in your data.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: State of News &#171; Wir sprechen Online.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388950</link>
		<dc:creator>State of News &#171; Wir sprechen Online.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Business, Print   Jarvis compiled key stats that show the state of the news business - must read: http://is.gd/eqGv &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Business, Print   Jarvis compiled key stats that show the state of the news business &#8211; must read: <a href="http://is.gd/eqGv" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/eqGv</a> &nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Printed Matters &#187; I am not alone</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388933</link>
		<dc:creator>Printed Matters &#187; I am not alone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yes, these are hard times for newspapers and other news companies. And with pressure on advertising budgets from a deep global recession, 2009 could shape up to be even worse. So, as a journalism student, shouldn’t I rally behind my industry and start buying newspapers again? No chance, because that would be like sticking a finger in the dike. It won’t make a dewdrop of difference when there is a tidal movement toward the Internet and away from inky gray pulp. Let’s just face bald facts: the printed newspaper is dying, and no amount of hand-wringing and charity newspaper-buying is going to keep it alive. There is no crash cart for obsolescence. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yes, these are hard times for newspapers and other news companies. And with pressure on advertising budgets from a deep global recession, 2009 could shape up to be even worse. So, as a journalism student, shouldn’t I rally behind my industry and start buying newspapers again? No chance, because that would be like sticking a finger in the dike. It won’t make a dewdrop of difference when there is a tidal movement toward the Internet and away from inky gray pulp. Let’s just face bald facts: the printed newspaper is dying, and no amount of hand-wringing and charity newspaper-buying is going to keep it alive. There is no crash cart for obsolescence. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388927</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If I were looking for good news, I’d be looking at the transition that many companies are making from single-product strategy to a portfolio/aggregation strategy.&quot;

Is that sentence in English?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I were looking for good news, I’d be looking at the transition that many companies are making from single-product strategy to a portfolio/aggregation strategy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that sentence in English?</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388922</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The printed paper makes a good fire started anyway.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388915</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@yelvington (cross-commented on your blog)

Hi, and apologies for not responding sooner - I&#039;ve celebrated the New Year by feeling increasingly unwell!

To set the record straight a bit, I definitely did not claim that Unique User figures should be treated as an equivalent to print readership data, although I realise I should have made that clearer in my comment on Jeff&#039;s blog.

And I&#039;d agree that aggregation, behavioral targeting and productive conversations are definitely signs of effective transition.

However, and with the greatest respect to my colleagues in research, I would say that the appropriate online measurements are a more effective tool for seeing how people really interact and respond to content than print readership data.

Any online measurement is susceptible to an amount of inaccuracy due to people deleting cookies, using proxy servers, using different computers at work and at home, etc.

But offline measurement is susceptible to assumptions based on delivery/sales, and the simple fact that most people will claim they act in a different way to what they actually do! Surveys, for example, are often as much as measurement of how people would like to act/be perceived as much as what they&#039;ve actually done. 

The only real way to measure what a person does is to be able to monitor them without them being consciously aware of it - something that&#039;s happened in &#039;retail science&#039;, and something which can be done online with a reasonable amount of accuracy, but much less offline.

 Lastly, I&#039;d agree that local business need, and will pay to reach local customers - however, I&#039;d want to make sure that there was a caveat that this might not be traditional display advertising on, or offline - more businesses are discovering having their own website, blog, or alternative method can be productive, and although this really is still in the early stages, it&#039;s going to accelerate pretty quickly!







Catching up on the later comments - personally I can&#039;t see any content providing me with a reason to pay for a print product which degrades, gets lost, doesn&#039;t allow interaction etc, when I can access relevant content quickly and easily online at home, on the train, and at work with the very latest updates.

However, editorial staff can create value which will ensure I visit their sites if they&#039;re able to convey the best information, with additional context, insight, and in ways which are engaging...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@yelvington (cross-commented on your blog)</p>
<p>Hi, and apologies for not responding sooner &#8211; I&#8217;ve celebrated the New Year by feeling increasingly unwell!</p>
<p>To set the record straight a bit, I definitely did not claim that Unique User figures should be treated as an equivalent to print readership data, although I realise I should have made that clearer in my comment on Jeff&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d agree that aggregation, behavioral targeting and productive conversations are definitely signs of effective transition.</p>
<p>However, and with the greatest respect to my colleagues in research, I would say that the appropriate online measurements are a more effective tool for seeing how people really interact and respond to content than print readership data.</p>
<p>Any online measurement is susceptible to an amount of inaccuracy due to people deleting cookies, using proxy servers, using different computers at work and at home, etc.</p>
<p>But offline measurement is susceptible to assumptions based on delivery/sales, and the simple fact that most people will claim they act in a different way to what they actually do! Surveys, for example, are often as much as measurement of how people would like to act/be perceived as much as what they&#8217;ve actually done. </p>
<p>The only real way to measure what a person does is to be able to monitor them without them being consciously aware of it &#8211; something that&#8217;s happened in &#8216;retail science&#8217;, and something which can be done online with a reasonable amount of accuracy, but much less offline.</p>
<p> Lastly, I&#8217;d agree that local business need, and will pay to reach local customers &#8211; however, I&#8217;d want to make sure that there was a caveat that this might not be traditional display advertising on, or offline &#8211; more businesses are discovering having their own website, blog, or alternative method can be productive, and although this really is still in the early stages, it&#8217;s going to accelerate pretty quickly!</p>
<p>Catching up on the later comments &#8211; personally I can&#8217;t see any content providing me with a reason to pay for a print product which degrades, gets lost, doesn&#8217;t allow interaction etc, when I can access relevant content quickly and easily online at home, on the train, and at work with the very latest updates.</p>
<p>However, editorial staff can create value which will ensure I visit their sites if they&#8217;re able to convey the best information, with additional context, insight, and in ways which are engaging&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bad news, good news &#171; The Future of Print</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388896</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad news, good news &#171; The Future of Print</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Bad news, good news.         &#171; Online Or Bust: Why 2009 May Be The Nail In [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jan. 5, 2009: Endless parade of worry</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388888</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jan. 5, 2009: Endless parade of worry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] media consultant Jeff Jarvis rounds up the bad news for 2008, before noting that papers did in fact manage to increase the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Notes for 1/4/2009 at MasterMaq&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388876</link>
		<dc:creator>Notes for 1/4/2009 at MasterMaq&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Jeff Jarvis: statistics that show the state of the news business. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388843</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I visit a site from work, then in the afternoon from the computer in the living room, and make one more visit before bed from the computer in the bedroom then how many unique visitors am I?</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388832</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K. back to the topic on hand and the Bad news and not so bad news. Perhaps I don&#039;t have the &quot;big picture&quot; view of the industry, but perhaps the big picture folks need to take a look at the little picture-nuts and blots- of the industry. Here is how I see it, from a simple pressman&#039;s view. The bad news is that the papers didn&#039;t have to go in this direction. Sure they are going to lose readers to the internet, but if they were committed to their once loyal subscribers and delivered a timely, unbiased paper to their door steps BEFORE people left for work, I really think they could hold readership. If they held on to these readers perhaps their children would pick up the paper and read it also (like my kids did) thus increasing readership. Now I have the Executive Editor of the Modesto Bee personally calling me and pleading for me to re-subscribe (at a rate less that my former employee discount). If they hadn&#039;t lost sight of the vision of providing news instead of keeping the stockholders happy and coming up with these grandiose ideas of getting bigger by buying debt laden corporations and telling everybody don&#039;t worry it&#039;ll be all right, these papers would still be strong. Instead they grasp at straws and have massive layoffs in order to save a few bucks and claim their &quot;restructuring&quot; is giving the company a stronger foothold in the stagnant economy. B.S. when you buyout/layoff employees it only makes the economy worse and you lose subscribers (former employees) who tell their friends and contacts about the rotten way they have been treated, then those people, I&#039;d say about 50% are subscribers; cancel their subscriptions and as the printed readership dwindles so does the credibility of the advertising getting to the reading public. The advertisers look at better ways to advertise and the papers lose advertising. How many readers does one laid off employee influence? From personal experience I know of at least 32 subscribers that have canceled because of my personal contact with them. They are shocked to know that layoffs at their local paper numbered in the hundreds and are even more irritated that they never read it in the paper (because it was on D-3 or some place where most folks don&#039;t look). I told them to not cancel, but to call customer service and complain about the quality of the printed product, late delivery times etc., but they told me it was just easier to cancel &quot;because the paper is liberal/biased and there aren&#039;t that many pages in the printed edition anymore&quot;. This is first hand experience. How many &quot;second level&quot; readers are affected by these &quot;first level&quot; cancellations? Who knows? Get rid of the dead wood, fire the CEO&#039;s-without any severance package- that caused this mess and get back to business. Reporting UNBIASED news and information and  cater to the subscribing customer. Let them talk to a LOCAL customer service rep. instead of Hadji in India. (no offense to all the Hadji&#039;s out there).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K. back to the topic on hand and the Bad news and not so bad news. Perhaps I don&#8217;t have the &#8220;big picture&#8221; view of the industry, but perhaps the big picture folks need to take a look at the little picture-nuts and blots- of the industry. Here is how I see it, from a simple pressman&#8217;s view. The bad news is that the papers didn&#8217;t have to go in this direction. Sure they are going to lose readers to the internet, but if they were committed to their once loyal subscribers and delivered a timely, unbiased paper to their door steps BEFORE people left for work, I really think they could hold readership. If they held on to these readers perhaps their children would pick up the paper and read it also (like my kids did) thus increasing readership. Now I have the Executive Editor of the Modesto Bee personally calling me and pleading for me to re-subscribe (at a rate less that my former employee discount). If they hadn&#8217;t lost sight of the vision of providing news instead of keeping the stockholders happy and coming up with these grandiose ideas of getting bigger by buying debt laden corporations and telling everybody don&#8217;t worry it&#8217;ll be all right, these papers would still be strong. Instead they grasp at straws and have massive layoffs in order to save a few bucks and claim their &#8220;restructuring&#8221; is giving the company a stronger foothold in the stagnant economy. B.S. when you buyout/layoff employees it only makes the economy worse and you lose subscribers (former employees) who tell their friends and contacts about the rotten way they have been treated, then those people, I&#8217;d say about 50% are subscribers; cancel their subscriptions and as the printed readership dwindles so does the credibility of the advertising getting to the reading public. The advertisers look at better ways to advertise and the papers lose advertising. How many readers does one laid off employee influence? From personal experience I know of at least 32 subscribers that have canceled because of my personal contact with them. They are shocked to know that layoffs at their local paper numbered in the hundreds and are even more irritated that they never read it in the paper (because it was on D-3 or some place where most folks don&#8217;t look). I told them to not cancel, but to call customer service and complain about the quality of the printed product, late delivery times etc., but they told me it was just easier to cancel &#8220;because the paper is liberal/biased and there aren&#8217;t that many pages in the printed edition anymore&#8221;. This is first hand experience. How many &#8220;second level&#8221; readers are affected by these &#8220;first level&#8221; cancellations? Who knows? Get rid of the dead wood, fire the CEO&#8217;s-without any severance package- that caused this mess and get back to business. Reporting UNBIASED news and information and  cater to the subscribing customer. Let them talk to a LOCAL customer service rep. instead of Hadji in India. (no offense to all the Hadji&#8217;s out there).</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
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		<dc:creator>red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>---Over four hundred people have been brutally murdered by F- 16’s over the past week and all I read in the papers is Israeli PR

Odd, I see it just the opposite.  My local station just featured a &quot;Palestinian Family&quot; (there is no country of &quot;Palestine&quot; waiting for the residents of Gaza to leave behind terrorism and become a non-failed state)

Also, there is a magical morphing of the victims referred to in the first post that I quote.  Israel was quite effective in targeting Hamas fighters and rocket launchers.  

So I would say instead &quot;Over three hundred terrorist thugs in Gaza have been killed and some unfortunate civilian victims - and still the terrorist thugs are launching rockets into Israel -- and still the truth isn&#039;t being portrayed in the lefty media&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;Over four hundred people have been brutally murdered by F- 16’s over the past week and all I read in the papers is Israeli PR</p>
<p>Odd, I see it just the opposite.  My local station just featured a &#8220;Palestinian Family&#8221; (there is no country of &#8220;Palestine&#8221; waiting for the residents of Gaza to leave behind terrorism and become a non-failed state)</p>
<p>Also, there is a magical morphing of the victims referred to in the first post that I quote.  Israel was quite effective in targeting Hamas fighters and rocket launchers.  </p>
<p>So I would say instead &#8220;Over three hundred terrorist thugs in Gaza have been killed and some unfortunate civilian victims &#8211; and still the terrorist thugs are launching rockets into Israel &#8212; and still the truth isn&#8217;t being portrayed in the lefty media&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Paul you forgot about all the rockets fired at Israel over the lat few years. Kinda like a mosquito...finally get tired of the annoyance and SWAT that sucker. Maybe this will (somehow) stimulate the U.S. economy. Sorry this was O.T. but Paul started it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Paul you forgot about all the rockets fired at Israel over the lat few years. Kinda like a mosquito&#8230;finally get tired of the annoyance and SWAT that sucker. Maybe this will (somehow) stimulate the U.S. economy. Sorry this was O.T. but Paul started it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388778</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, whassa matter, your pithy war comments get punk&#039;d on any forum where they are actually dicussing the subject?  I&#039;m thinkin&#039; that the Gaza situation is not what was being discussed here.

Take your Ritalin, maybe you can stay on task for a few moments...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, whassa matter, your pithy war comments get punk&#8217;d on any forum where they are actually dicussing the subject?  I&#8217;m thinkin&#8217; that the Gaza situation is not what was being discussed here.</p>
<p>Take your Ritalin, maybe you can stay on task for a few moments&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Enlightened Redneck &#187; Bad News For The News Business</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Enlightened Redneck &#187; Bad News For The News Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis explains why at BuzzMachine. He couches the news about the news business as bad and good, but the bad news &#8212; crashing stocks, declining viewership, plummeting ad revenue, the closure [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jarvis explains why at BuzzMachine. He couches the news about the news business as bad and good, but the bad news &#8212; crashing stocks, declining viewership, plummeting ad revenue, the closure [...]</p>
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		<title>By: moptop</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388775</link>
		<dc:creator>moptop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with bc. I have always thought that the model they should aim for is to fill the pages with hard news, let the chips fall where they may, and outsource the editing function to bloggers and web sites like Lucianne. If the content is there, the links will come.

I agree with part of the comment about local coverage. However, how many times are you going to fling the newspaper in disgust over the national coverage on the front page, which is ancient news in internet time, and which you already know the other side of the story from sites like National Review. The assumption on the part of the news editor is that the average reader has no idea that they are having information withheld from them, but this is just not true anymore. It used to be that you could get the alternative news from Rush, but now you can get it anywhere.

Newspapers are fast becoming as popular as self published novels, and for the same reason. Self indulgence just doesn&#039;t sell.

I have this fantasy that newspapers would simply report facts, and ask questions of politicians to which they did not already know the answers they wanted to hear. Things like that. Instead, it seems that the whole mission of the news media is to game elections in particular ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with bc. I have always thought that the model they should aim for is to fill the pages with hard news, let the chips fall where they may, and outsource the editing function to bloggers and web sites like Lucianne. If the content is there, the links will come.</p>
<p>I agree with part of the comment about local coverage. However, how many times are you going to fling the newspaper in disgust over the national coverage on the front page, which is ancient news in internet time, and which you already know the other side of the story from sites like National Review. The assumption on the part of the news editor is that the average reader has no idea that they are having information withheld from them, but this is just not true anymore. It used to be that you could get the alternative news from Rush, but now you can get it anywhere.</p>
<p>Newspapers are fast becoming as popular as self published novels, and for the same reason. Self indulgence just doesn&#8217;t sell.</p>
<p>I have this fantasy that newspapers would simply report facts, and ask questions of politicians to which they did not already know the answers they wanted to hear. Things like that. Instead, it seems that the whole mission of the news media is to game elections in particular ways.</p>
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		<title>By: bc</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388771</link>
		<dc:creator>bc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem the newspapers have is;
Instapundit-news consolidator/linker
Fabiusmaximus-economic analysis and philosophy
Spengler-world affairs analysis
Drudge-consolidator/linker

and many others...all free and excellent content providers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem the newspapers have is;<br />
Instapundit-news consolidator/linker<br />
Fabiusmaximus-economic analysis and philosophy<br />
Spengler-world affairs analysis<br />
Drudge-consolidator/linker</p>
<p>and many others&#8230;all free and excellent content providers.</p>
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		<title>By: vigilant</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388770</link>
		<dc:creator>vigilant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evil Pundit (Jan 3, 2009, 4:20 pm) comes closest to reality in my opinion, but the discourse is confounded e.g. blending terms and concepts related to journalism, advertising, reader/viewer verification, on-line versus reading, age preferences for news/reading, etc.

I suggest a few core issues for reflection and discussion:

What is the value and purpose of advertising?  Is it to raise revenue OR connect a real client with a needed product?  It has too long simply &quot;covered space&quot; e.g. ads even on restroom stalls and shopping carts, purchase receipts, etc.

Shouldn&#039;t cost of advertising be primarily paid by the purchaser of a product or service when they buy either?

What is the value and purpose of journalism?  Most people appreciate and often enjoy a well written and reasoned article (paper OR on-line), even if written by the &quot;opposition.&quot;  Are readers willing to pay for &quot;journalism&quot; in any form?

What information does society need to educate the populace to make informed decisions, especially in a representative democracy like the USA?  Should this information be provided &quot;free&quot; or for a cost?  How can &quot;bias&quot; be minimized?

Many times I find the comments section to be as informative and thoughtful as an original article being commented on.

This is one CLEAR advantage for on-line readers - the ability to respond to an author and to find others views both pro and con.

I use a STRONG ad-blocker on web pages, so I don&#039;t have to put up with UNWANTED &quot;PUSH&quot; advertising.

However, I often use search engines, particularly on Amazon, if I WANT to purchase something (PULL advertising).

In the end, I think technology will resolve advertising issues because users will find appropriate suppliers/distributors in the most efficiently way possible due to electronic technology.

Advertising as done in the past may be a dinosaur, except for visual advertising as done in magazines or commercial literature.

More difficult is how to determine the &quot;value&quot; of intellectual information.  It may take a long time, or never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evil Pundit (Jan 3, 2009, 4:20 pm) comes closest to reality in my opinion, but the discourse is confounded e.g. blending terms and concepts related to journalism, advertising, reader/viewer verification, on-line versus reading, age preferences for news/reading, etc.</p>
<p>I suggest a few core issues for reflection and discussion:</p>
<p>What is the value and purpose of advertising?  Is it to raise revenue OR connect a real client with a needed product?  It has too long simply &#8220;covered space&#8221; e.g. ads even on restroom stalls and shopping carts, purchase receipts, etc.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t cost of advertising be primarily paid by the purchaser of a product or service when they buy either?</p>
<p>What is the value and purpose of journalism?  Most people appreciate and often enjoy a well written and reasoned article (paper OR on-line), even if written by the &#8220;opposition.&#8221;  Are readers willing to pay for &#8220;journalism&#8221; in any form?</p>
<p>What information does society need to educate the populace to make informed decisions, especially in a representative democracy like the USA?  Should this information be provided &#8220;free&#8221; or for a cost?  How can &#8220;bias&#8221; be minimized?</p>
<p>Many times I find the comments section to be as informative and thoughtful as an original article being commented on.</p>
<p>This is one CLEAR advantage for on-line readers &#8211; the ability to respond to an author and to find others views both pro and con.</p>
<p>I use a STRONG ad-blocker on web pages, so I don&#8217;t have to put up with UNWANTED &#8220;PUSH&#8221; advertising.</p>
<p>However, I often use search engines, particularly on Amazon, if I WANT to purchase something (PULL advertising).</p>
<p>In the end, I think technology will resolve advertising issues because users will find appropriate suppliers/distributors in the most efficiently way possible due to electronic technology.</p>
<p>Advertising as done in the past may be a dinosaur, except for visual advertising as done in magazines or commercial literature.</p>
<p>More difficult is how to determine the &#8220;value&#8221; of intellectual information.  It may take a long time, or never.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/01/02/bad-news-good-news/#comment-388769</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, the Bad news is that the American Economy can hardly take anymore layoffs. The unemployment rate is at a point where individual states can&#039;t afford to pay out unemployment. McClatchy&#039;s addition to the situation ahs exacerbated the situation and it is ironic that Career Builders had to lay off employees...BTW Career Builder isn&#039;t worth the pixels to display it. I haven&#039;t even found a decent lead for ANY type job there. All your unique visitors have dropped the paid subscriptions because they can&#039;t afford it and would rather put groceries on the table than fill up their dens with old, biased irrelevant printed news. As far as printed news...Once I was laid off from the press room at the Modesto Bee, I didn&#039;t even look for a job in printing...it is a dying trade. Perhaps I can get a degree in business and become an overpaid CEO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, the Bad news is that the American Economy can hardly take anymore layoffs. The unemployment rate is at a point where individual states can&#8217;t afford to pay out unemployment. McClatchy&#8217;s addition to the situation ahs exacerbated the situation and it is ironic that Career Builders had to lay off employees&#8230;BTW Career Builder isn&#8217;t worth the pixels to display it. I haven&#8217;t even found a decent lead for ANY type job there. All your unique visitors have dropped the paid subscriptions because they can&#8217;t afford it and would rather put groceries on the table than fill up their dens with old, biased irrelevant printed news. As far as printed news&#8230;Once I was laid off from the press room at the Modesto Bee, I didn&#8217;t even look for a job in printing&#8230;it is a dying trade. Perhaps I can get a degree in business and become an overpaid CEO.</p>
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