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		<title>By: Printed Matters &#187; Paywall madness: Dec. 2008 - Feb. 2009</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390827</link>
		<dc:creator>Printed Matters &#187; Paywall madness: Dec. 2008 - Feb. 2009</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] 06, 2009 - 10:33 am NY Times: Please open the TimesSelect books by Jeff [...]</description>
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		<title>By: www.bastimmers.nl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Diginews 62: betalen?</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.bastimmers.nl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Diginews 62: betalen?</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] wordt toch weer voorzichtig gedacht aan het laten betalen voor delen van de content. En mediagoeroe Jeff Jaris vraagt aan het bedrijf om te laten zien wat het verdiende met het betalen voor content via Times Select, zodat anderen een [...]</description>
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		<title>By: EB</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390593</link>
		<dc:creator>EB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

Agreed - But I&#039;ll take it further. The whole industry, from soup to nuts, needs a transparent / open source approach to figuring out to make news a financially viable enterprise in the future.

We&#039;ll never get there as long as each organization is toiling on their own, behind closed doors. That&#039;s fine when an industry has some stability. But when the industry as a whole is going down, the organizations need to join forces and work collaboratively to share insights &amp; learnings -- that&#039;s how you accelerate learning and, hopefully, discover viable new enterprises before the old ones sink altogether. Otherwise, as Ben Franklin said, &quot;If we don&#039;t hang together, we shall hang separately.&quot;

And so, if we were to move toward this transparent / open source model of innovating the future, we&#039;d need to regard the TimesSelect experience, as Evan Rudowski says above, as just *one* experiment of many. And it would be in studying and learning from *all* the experiments that we would (collectively and collaboratively) find the new viable business model / models. 


That&#039;s my main point. But if you&#039;re interested in more:
-- On why the New York Times should go totally open source on finding a new business model:
http://future-of-news.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-new-york-times-can-save-itself.html

-- On why newspapers should create a massive, joint experimentation program:
http://future-of-news.blogspot.com/2008/05/if-i-were-newspaper-publisher-today.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>Agreed &#8211; But I&#8217;ll take it further. The whole industry, from soup to nuts, needs a transparent / open source approach to figuring out to make news a financially viable enterprise in the future.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll never get there as long as each organization is toiling on their own, behind closed doors. That&#8217;s fine when an industry has some stability. But when the industry as a whole is going down, the organizations need to join forces and work collaboratively to share insights &amp; learnings &#8212; that&#8217;s how you accelerate learning and, hopefully, discover viable new enterprises before the old ones sink altogether. Otherwise, as Ben Franklin said, &#8220;If we don&#8217;t hang together, we shall hang separately.&#8221;</p>
<p>And so, if we were to move toward this transparent / open source model of innovating the future, we&#8217;d need to regard the TimesSelect experience, as Evan Rudowski says above, as just *one* experiment of many. And it would be in studying and learning from *all* the experiments that we would (collectively and collaboratively) find the new viable business model / models. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s my main point. But if you&#8217;re interested in more:<br />
&#8211; On why the New York Times should go totally open source on finding a new business model:<br />
<a href="http://future-of-news.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-new-york-times-can-save-itself.html" rel="nofollow">http://future-of-news.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-new-york-times-can-save-itself.html</a></p>
<p>&#8211; On why newspapers should create a massive, joint experimentation program:<br />
<a href="http://future-of-news.blogspot.com/2008/05/if-i-were-newspaper-publisher-today.html" rel="nofollow">http://future-of-news.blogspot.com/2008/05/if-i-were-newspaper-publisher-today.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390537</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make about $100 a month from Google ads now. It rarely varies. My blood type is O+. My shoe size is 12 C. Anything else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make about $100 a month from Google ads now. It rarely varies. My blood type is O+. My shoe size is 12 C. Anything else?</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Grindley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390534</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Grindley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify ... my suggestion was that as your book tour continues, you disclose on an ongoing basis how much you make each month from Google ads. Will you agree to do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify &#8230; my suggestion was that as your book tour continues, you disclose on an ongoing basis how much you make each month from Google ads. Will you agree to do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390388</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one reason TimesSelect failed is that it was very poorly marketed. The Times seemed to assume that all they needed to do was create a colorful TimesSelect banner/badge with a picture of Dowd or Friedman and that would be enough to convince people to pay.

Anyone who has ever sold content online knows that it all starts with the &quot;offer.&quot; The most crucial aspect is what people see and read right before they decide to enter their credit card number. TimesSelect didn&#039;t understand this. Their offer was weak and unimaginative. High perceived value (low actual cost) premiums play a key role in motivating people to pay. WSJ knows this. There&#039;s so much the Times could have offered. 

For one example, genealogy research is hugely successful online and there are many successful businesses serving the field. TimesSelect offered access to its archives back to the 1800s. (Now free, I believe.) Anyway, with a little work, TimesSelect could have appealed to the whole genealogy field. Anyone whose ancestors might have appeared in the Times archives...Lots of educational connections, too. 

When you signed up for TimesSelect, they could have sent you an email inviting you to research your ancestors in the TimesSelect database. A link could have taken them to a site where they could see what others have done, how easy it was to find stuff, examples of what people did with the stories once they found them, etc.

This is just one example. The marketing of TimesSelect could have segmented the marketing of the service based on people&#039;s profession. Give them a free trial but capture some basic data on them--and the customize the conversion process based on that info...Lots of b2b businesses can do that and it could be applied successfully to the Times and, I think, even top metro dailies around the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one reason TimesSelect failed is that it was very poorly marketed. The Times seemed to assume that all they needed to do was create a colorful TimesSelect banner/badge with a picture of Dowd or Friedman and that would be enough to convince people to pay.</p>
<p>Anyone who has ever sold content online knows that it all starts with the &#8220;offer.&#8221; The most crucial aspect is what people see and read right before they decide to enter their credit card number. TimesSelect didn&#8217;t understand this. Their offer was weak and unimaginative. High perceived value (low actual cost) premiums play a key role in motivating people to pay. WSJ knows this. There&#8217;s so much the Times could have offered. </p>
<p>For one example, genealogy research is hugely successful online and there are many successful businesses serving the field. TimesSelect offered access to its archives back to the 1800s. (Now free, I believe.) Anyway, with a little work, TimesSelect could have appealed to the whole genealogy field. Anyone whose ancestors might have appeared in the Times archives&#8230;Lots of educational connections, too. </p>
<p>When you signed up for TimesSelect, they could have sent you an email inviting you to research your ancestors in the TimesSelect database. A link could have taken them to a site where they could see what others have done, how easy it was to find stuff, examples of what people did with the stories once they found them, etc.</p>
<p>This is just one example. The marketing of TimesSelect could have segmented the marketing of the service based on people&#8217;s profession. Give them a free trial but capture some basic data on them&#8211;and the customize the conversion process based on that info&#8230;Lots of b2b businesses can do that and it could be applied successfully to the Times and, I think, even top metro dailies around the country.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390369</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also the NY Times should admit defeat in its undeclared war against bugmenot, and just drop registration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also the NY Times should admit defeat in its undeclared war against bugmenot, and just drop registration.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Wang</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390367</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just updated numbers with feedback that we&#039;ve received...</description>
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		<title>By: Nancy Wang</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390352</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you&#039;re right, we need some real numbers to understand how paid content can or cannot work. I&#039;ve started to put together some hypotheses based on real figures from a newspaper website. We started with the current ad-only revenue from the site. Then we had a look at a full paid model. We also looked at a mix free / paid model.

People can play around with the assumptions in my excel file... please take a look:
http://mediacafe.blogspot.com/2009/02/newspaper-charging-or-not-for-online.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you&#8217;re right, we need some real numbers to understand how paid content can or cannot work. I&#8217;ve started to put together some hypotheses based on real figures from a newspaper website. We started with the current ad-only revenue from the site. Then we had a look at a full paid model. We also looked at a mix free / paid model.</p>
<p>People can play around with the assumptions in my excel file&#8230; please take a look:<br />
<a href="http://mediacafe.blogspot.com/2009/02/newspaper-charging-or-not-for-online.html" rel="nofollow">http://mediacafe.blogspot.com/2009/02/newspaper-charging-or-not-for-online.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stan Hogan</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390340</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, how about you stop pimping that old-fashioned print-style book and offer it online for free?

You could show us something about how that works.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, how about you stop pimping that old-fashioned print-style book and offer it online for free?</p>
<p>You could show us something about how that works.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting readings - February 7, 2009 &#124; Sustainable Online Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting readings - February 7, 2009 &#124; Sustainable Online Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Norred</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390326</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Norred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 06:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good call. This would help the industry.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390324</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 05:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have revealed my blog earnings here and in a column and in the book. Enough disclosure for you? I haven&#039;t done my 2008 taxes and accounts yet. But in 2007, I earned $13,300 in ads on the blog, about $4k of that from Google. I don&#039;t have the exact figures with me, but I suspect that&#039;s close enough for you. There you have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have revealed my blog earnings here and in a column and in the book. Enough disclosure for you? I haven&#8217;t done my 2008 taxes and accounts yet. But in 2007, I earned $13,300 in ads on the blog, about $4k of that from Google. I don&#8217;t have the exact figures with me, but I suspect that&#8217;s close enough for you. There you have it.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottieNews</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390321</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottieNews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 04:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the Google contract does not allow divulging specifics of ad earnings and costs. So much for transparency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the Google contract does not allow divulging specifics of ad earnings and costs. So much for transparency.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Grindley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390318</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Grindley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about you go first, Jeff, and let everyone know how much you make each month off Google ads? Transparency. It&#039;s what Google would do.

Lead by example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about you go first, Jeff, and let everyone know how much you make each month off Google ads? Transparency. It&#8217;s what Google would do.</p>
<p>Lead by example.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Mescher</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390307</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Mescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does it need to be an either or model?

The Travel Channel hosts free online content while simultaneously charging for &#039;Travel Channel University&#039; courses that teach people the fine art of pro video capturing and editing.

Bonus: TC then aggregates all the video submissions from their videopgraphers to feature on their cable channel.  In effect they&#039;ve charged people to provide content to them.

Just think what the Times could do charging for some things that people are willing to assign definite value to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does it need to be an either or model?</p>
<p>The Travel Channel hosts free online content while simultaneously charging for &#8216;Travel Channel University&#8217; courses that teach people the fine art of pro video capturing and editing.</p>
<p>Bonus: TC then aggregates all the video submissions from their videopgraphers to feature on their cable channel.  In effect they&#8217;ve charged people to provide content to them.</p>
<p>Just think what the Times could do charging for some things that people are willing to assign definite value to.</p>
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		<title>By: janice</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390305</link>
		<dc:creator>janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could the media be more out to lunch?</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/06/ny-times-please-open-the-timesselect-books/#comment-390299</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray, Jeff.

Yes, this would be very helpful in moving the debate away from opinion to fact. However, we need to acknowledge that TimesSelect was one experiment in paid content, not necessarily the definitive execution. Therefore we must be careful not to draw too broad a conclusion by assuming that the specific results of TimesSelect are a proxy for future paid content efforts at the Times or elsewhere. Nevertheless, we can admire the Times&#039; attempt to experiment, and learn from it.

I don&#039;t know if we&#039;ll get the data but I am glad to see you asking for it. Open-mindedness becomes you. :)

Kind regards,
Evan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray, Jeff.</p>
<p>Yes, this would be very helpful in moving the debate away from opinion to fact. However, we need to acknowledge that TimesSelect was one experiment in paid content, not necessarily the definitive execution. Therefore we must be careful not to draw too broad a conclusion by assuming that the specific results of TimesSelect are a proxy for future paid content efforts at the Times or elsewhere. Nevertheless, we can admire the Times&#8217; attempt to experiment, and learn from it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if we&#8217;ll get the data but I am glad to see you asking for it. Open-mindedness becomes you. <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Evan</p>
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		<title>By: invitedmedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>invitedmedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cnn&#039;s &quot;pipeline&quot; might be a good one to compare newspaper v. tv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cnn&#8217;s &#8220;pipeline&#8221; might be a good one to compare newspaper v. tv</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. But they&#039;ll never do it.</description>
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