Comments on: Can journalism go with the flow? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: "Imagine, if you will" | Adam Svanell http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-427334 "Imagine, if you will" | Adam Svanell Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:37:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-427334 [...] but we aren’t gonna make much either.” En sanning som tyvärr tycks gälla även dagens webbeditioner. [...] [...] but we aren’t gonna make much either.” En sanning som tyvärr tycks gälla även dagens webbeditioner. [...]

]]> By: ¿Puede el periodismo… | laOtra TPA http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-408366 ¿Puede el periodismo… | laOtra TPA Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:53:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-408366 [...] Jeff Jarvis, BuzzMachine (09.02.09) / [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis, BuzzMachine (09.02.09) / [...]

]]> By: Data, Information, Knowledge, Wisdom « Woolly Days http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-401523 Data, Information, Knowledge, Wisdom « Woolly Days Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:37:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-401523 [...] content. The push goes against the grain of those who believe “information should be free”. Jeff Jarvis is one of the most strident voices against paying for content. He says it is costly, it impacts [...] [...] content. The push goes against the grain of those who believe “information should be free”. Jeff Jarvis is one of the most strident voices against paying for content. He says it is costly, it impacts [...]

]]> By: isabel http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-391847 isabel Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:41:04 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-391847 im doing a project for my journalism class.. i need to talk about where journalism will be in the future. my teacher wants us to talk about how it will change.. like from paper to online..etc.. if anyone can help please email me? im doing a project for my journalism class..
i need to talk about where journalism will be in the future.
my teacher wants us to talk about how it will change.. like from paper to online..etc..
if anyone can help please email me?

]]> By: Gregorg http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-391466 Gregorg Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:54:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-391466 our vision: http://www.hotalot.com/press.php our vision: http://www.hotalot.com/press.php

]]> By: “Imagine, if you will” « ADAM SVANELL http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390987 “Imagine, if you will” « ADAM SVANELL Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:05:39 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390987 [...] but we aren’t gonna make much either.” En sanning som tyvärr tycks gälla även dagens webbeditioner. Taggad med:papperstidningens död, webbjournalistik, youtube « Forskning säger [...] [...] but we aren’t gonna make much either.” En sanning som tyvärr tycks gälla även dagens webbeditioner. Taggad med:papperstidningens död, webbjournalistik, youtube « Forskning säger [...]

]]> By: Läsvärt - February 23, 2009 — Per-Åke Olsson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390952 Läsvärt - February 23, 2009 — Per-Åke Olsson Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:26:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390952 [...] Can journalism go with the flow? [...] [...] Can journalism go with the flow? [...]

]]> By: What would Jeff Jarvis do? | The Evolving Newsroom http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390876 What would Jeff Jarvis do? | The Evolving Newsroom Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:09:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390876 [...] in here on why the news should be free, Jeff opined at his popular blog, BuzzMachine: “Experience just [...] [...] in here on why the news should be free, Jeff opined at his popular blog, BuzzMachine: “Experience just [...]

]]> By: Printed Matters » Paywall madness: Dec. 2008 - Feb. 2009 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390825 Printed Matters » Paywall madness: Dec. 2008 - Feb. 2009 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:58:17 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390825 [...] 09, 2009 - 12:02 pm Can journalism go with the flow? by Jeff [...] [...] 09, 2009 – 12:02 pm Can journalism go with the flow? by Jeff [...]

]]> By: Finance Geek » What Would Jeff Jarvis Do? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390683 Finance Geek » What Would Jeff Jarvis Do? Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:49:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390683 [...] in here on why the news should be free, Jeff opined at his popular blog, BuzzMachine: “Experience [...] [...] in here on why the news should be free, Jeff opined at his popular blog, BuzzMachine: “Experience [...]

]]> By: Micropayments lead to Piracy | byJoeyBaker http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390632 Micropayments lead to Piracy | byJoeyBaker Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:55:15 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390632 [...] Can journalism go with the flow? BuzzMachine [...] [...] Can journalism go with the flow? BuzzMachine [...]

]]> By: Veckan som gick - vecka 7 at Same Same But Different http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390629 Veckan som gick - vecka 7 at Same Same But Different Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:25:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390629 [...] fungera i praktiken. Clark Shirky tror inte att det är lösningen för tidningarna. Det gör inte Jeff Jarvis heller: * Micropayments. Bless them, too. But micropayments simply have not worked and it’s hard to [...] [...] fungera i praktiken. Clark Shirky tror inte att det är lösningen för tidningarna. Det gör inte Jeff Jarvis heller: * Micropayments. Bless them, too. But micropayments simply have not worked and it’s hard to [...]

]]> By: The Dissolving Media: Newspapers « T.J.’s Blog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390528 The Dissolving Media: Newspapers « T.J.’s Blog Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:45:03 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390528 [...] are ways for journalism to agree with the online world. Because if you can’t beat them, join [...] [...] are ways for journalism to agree with the online world. Because if you can’t beat them, join [...]

]]> By: Mike http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390488 Mike Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:16:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390488 "Make Google Pay -- This one assumes that newspapers have a God-given right to the income they used to get from advertising and that Google (and craigslist and eBay and papers’ own customers with their own, free web sites, for that matter) stole it from the papers and thus are starving journalism." The last time I went to craigslist and eBay, they had no news. They're welcome to publish free classifieds, as the Arkansas Dem-Gaz does (The last I saw, they've had no layoff) Shame on us for assuming that well-researched news stories that are vital to an informed public have intrinsic value. And newspapers are "lazy," while others competed, giving the marketplace a better service. How? When a bunch of computer geeks build an better Internet mouse trap to repackage the work of real journalists while doing absolutely NO original reporting, that's industrious competition??? And shame on us for thinking they should pay. Jarvis' rejoinder, no doubt, is that his criticism is aimed at the business institutions behind newspapers and not the individual journalists. But journalists know we can't ply our trade covering one beat on one blog. Some sort of organization is needed. In the past, newspapers have provided that organization. In a newspaperless future, some Internet organization will provide that organization. The consumer loves the elegant simplicity that clearinghouses provide. If Google is that clearinghouse, fine. But I doubt Google has much interest in paying me to cover my city council. How lazy and monopolistic is that? “Make Google Pay — This one assumes that newspapers have a God-given right to the income they used to get from advertising and that Google (and craigslist and eBay and papers’ own customers with their own, free web sites, for that matter) stole it from the papers and thus are starving journalism.”

The last time I went to craigslist and eBay, they had no news. They’re welcome to publish free classifieds, as the Arkansas Dem-Gaz does (The last I saw, they’ve had no layoff)

Shame on us for assuming that well-researched news stories that are vital to an informed public have intrinsic value. And newspapers are “lazy,” while others competed, giving the marketplace a better service. How? When a bunch of computer geeks build an better Internet mouse trap to repackage the work of real journalists while doing absolutely NO original reporting, that’s industrious competition??? And shame on us for thinking they should pay.
Jarvis’ rejoinder, no doubt, is that his criticism is aimed at the business institutions behind newspapers and not the individual journalists. But journalists know we can’t ply our trade covering one beat on one blog. Some sort of organization is needed. In the past, newspapers have provided that organization. In a newspaperless future, some Internet organization will provide that organization. The consumer loves the elegant simplicity that clearinghouses provide. If Google is that clearinghouse, fine. But I doubt Google has much interest in paying me to cover my city council. How lazy and monopolistic is that?

]]> By: Mark Ury http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390486 Mark Ury Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:04:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390486 I'm not sure that's hypocritical. The effort to organize, distill, and present the volume of information in WWGD is substantially different than the average article/blog post/opinion piece. Whatever form it eventually takes (print-on-demand, subscription syndication, etc), it's perceived value will be greater and command a premium. However, WWGD's premium is no different than the "journalism-worth-paying for" that Keller describes at the Times (investigative, resource-based, etc). People will pay for value. We're just shedding 80% of the form factor that previously surrounded that value—ergo the noise and din. I’m not sure that’s hypocritical. The effort to organize, distill, and present the volume of information in WWGD is substantially different than the average article/blog post/opinion piece. Whatever form it eventually takes (print-on-demand, subscription syndication, etc), it’s perceived value will be greater and command a premium. However, WWGD’s premium is no different than the “journalism-worth-paying for” that Keller describes at the Times (investigative, resource-based, etc). People will pay for value. We’re just shedding 80% of the form factor that previously surrounded that value—ergo the noise and din.

]]> By: Link-Tipps der letzten Zeit | Leander Wattig http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390472 Link-Tipps der letzten Zeit | Leander Wattig Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:12:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390472 [...] Can journalism go with the flow? [...] [...] Can journalism go with the flow? [...]

]]> By: Scott http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390466 Scott Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:19:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390466 Don't local newspapers meet all the subscription criteria? Timely and frequently updated: even small-market papers post stories throughout the day. Highly specialized and unique: in a one newspaper town, in-depth local news seems to fit the definition of unique and specialized Authoritative: no local news organzation can claim to be more authoritative than a local daily Actionable: kind of debatable, especially with slimmed-down business sections, but what about sports bettors and fantasy sports players? Or crossword players? Don’t local newspapers meet all the subscription criteria?

Timely and frequently updated: even small-market papers post stories throughout the day.

Highly specialized and unique: in a one newspaper town, in-depth local news seems to fit the definition of unique and specialized

Authoritative: no local news organzation can claim to be more authoritative than a local daily

Actionable: kind of debatable, especially with slimmed-down business sections, but what about sports bettors and fantasy sports players? Or crossword players?

]]> By: AnnB http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390459 AnnB Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:21:53 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390459 Shirky misunderstands the definition of nickel and dime. It's not that people mind paying nickels and dimes. It's that they mind paying dollars and then being asked for nickels and dimes ON TOP OF IT. In fact, most people are quite happy to pay nickels and dimes for something good. What they don't like is complicated payment systems. People will pay for content. They just won't pay according to current payment models for news content. WI may very well have a very good point. And the proof that they'll pay for content is the sales of Jeff's book. Shirky misunderstands the definition of nickel and dime.

It’s not that people mind paying nickels and dimes.

It’s that they mind paying dollars and then being asked for nickels and dimes ON TOP OF IT. In fact, most people are quite happy to pay nickels and dimes for something good. What they don’t like is complicated payment systems.

People will pay for content. They just won’t pay according to current payment models for news content. WI may very well have a very good point.

And the proof that they’ll pay for content is the sales of Jeff’s book.

]]> By: Henryk A. Kowalczyk http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390439 Henryk A. Kowalczyk Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:07:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390439 My three pennies on this subject; journalism does not need to be saved, newspapers do, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/henryk-a-kowalczyk/journalism-does-not-need_b_165082.html My three pennies on this subject; journalism does not need to be saved, newspapers do, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/henryk-a-kowalczyk/journalism-does-not-need_b_165082.html

]]> By: Henryk A. Kowalczyk http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390438 Henryk A. Kowalczyk Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:04:56 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390438 My three pennies on his subject; journalism does not need to be saved, newspapers do, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/henryk-a-kowalczyk/journalism-does-not-need_b_165082.html My three pennies on his subject; journalism does not need to be saved, newspapers do, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/henryk-a-kowalczyk/journalism-does-not-need_b_165082.html

]]> By: Mikrobetalningar på tapeten, men fungerar de? « David Hylander http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390437 Mikrobetalningar på tapeten, men fungerar de? « David Hylander Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:42:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390437 [...] Jeff Jarvis river av en hel lista på föreslagna finansieringsmodeller som han inte tror på. “The real need for the future of journalism is to find business models that exploit the reality of the web,” skriver Jarvis. [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis river av en hel lista på föreslagna finansieringsmodeller som han inte tror på. “The real need for the future of journalism is to find business models that exploit the reality of the web,” skriver Jarvis. [...]

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390433 Jeff Jarvis Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:57:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390433 I lost the link myself, I'm embarrassed to say. Here it is: http://browseinside.harpercollins.com/index.aspx?isbn13=9780061709715 I lost the link myself, I’m embarrassed to say. Here it is:
http://browseinside.harpercollins.com/index.aspx?isbn13=9780061709715

]]> By: Stan Hogan http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390431 Stan Hogan Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:43:50 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390431 Come on, Jeff. Give us a link to where we can read your book for free at HarperCollins. I went to the site and tried numerous searches and only came up with a link to amazon.com, where I could buy the book. I want it free. Put it here, then pay Google and others to link to it. Show us how that model works. Lead the way. Come on, Jeff. Give us a link to where we can read your book for free at HarperCollins. I went to the site and tried numerous searches and only came up with a link to amazon.com, where I could buy the book.

I want it free. Put it here, then pay Google and others to link to it. Show us how that model works. Lead the way.

]]> By: Och nö, ne? Das Massensterben der Zeitungen steht an. Und alle Rettungsideen sind unbeholfen und/oder doof. « A C H T M I L L I A R D E N : C O M http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390428 Och nö, ne? Das Massensterben der Zeitungen steht an. Und alle Rettungsideen sind unbeholfen und/oder doof. « A C H T M I L L I A R D E N : C O M Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:10:05 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390428 [...] gestern postete Jeff Jarvis in seinem Blog einen Eintrag mit Gegenargumenten zu diesen (und anderen) Rettungsideen. Im Grunde reicht es aber auch schon, die Daily Show anzuschauen und dabei zweimal kurz angestrengt [...] [...] gestern postete Jeff Jarvis in seinem Blog einen Eintrag mit Gegenargumenten zu diesen (und anderen) Rettungsideen. Im Grunde reicht es aber auch schon, die Daily Show anzuschauen und dabei zweimal kurz angestrengt [...]

]]> By: Rettungsrezepte: Mit dem Strom schwimmen » medienlese.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/09/can-journalism-go-with-the-flow/#comment-390427 Rettungsrezepte: Mit dem Strom schwimmen » medienlese.com Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:18:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4177#comment-390427 [...] Original dieses Textes erschien am 9. Februar 2009 unter dem Titel “Can journalism go with the flow?”. Übersetzung: Peter Sennhauser ANZEIGE Werben Sie auf [...] [...] Original dieses Textes erschien am 9. Februar 2009 unter dem Titel “Can journalism go with the flow?”. Übersetzung: Peter Sennhauser ANZEIGE Werben Sie auf [...]

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