Comments on: Guardian column: Whack-a-mole with micropayments http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Notes on Nicholas Carr | Hypercrit http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-401985 Notes on Nicholas Carr | Hypercrit Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:39:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-401985 [...] dis­misses writ­ers like Clay Shirky and Jeff Jarvis, who argue that some­thing has changed sig­nif­i­cantly and irre­versibly about the way [...] [...] dis­misses writ­ers like Clay Shirky and Jeff Jarvis, who argue that some­thing has changed sig­nif­i­cantly and irre­versibly about the way [...]

]]> By: Warum Bezahlinhalte nicht funktionieren : lektroliv.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-396827 Warum Bezahlinhalte nicht funktionieren : lektroliv.com Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:12:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-396827 [...] seine Inhalte erst hinter einer Bezahlwand zugänglich macht, schließt die Suchmaschinen aus. Dabei ist besonders Google wichtig für die Zugriffe auf jedes Medienangebot, egal ob [...] [...] seine Inhalte erst hinter einer Bezahlwand zugänglich macht, schließt die Suchmaschinen aus. Dabei ist besonders Google wichtig für die Zugriffe auf jedes Medienangebot, egal ob [...]

]]> By: Nachrichtengeschäft im Internet: Warum Bezahlinhalte nicht funktionieren » netzwertig.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-395919 Nachrichtengeschäft im Internet: Warum Bezahlinhalte nicht funktionieren » netzwertig.com Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:36:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-395919 [...] seine Inhalte erst hinter einer Bezahlwand zugänglich macht, schließt die Suchmaschinen aus. Dabei ist besonders Google wichtig für die Zugriffe auf jedes Medienangebot, egal ob [...] [...] seine Inhalte erst hinter einer Bezahlwand zugänglich macht, schließt die Suchmaschinen aus. Dabei ist besonders Google wichtig für die Zugriffe auf jedes Medienangebot, egal ob [...]

]]> By: 'American Idol': Micropayment Model? | BNET Intercom | BNET http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-394881 'American Idol': Micropayment Model? | BNET Intercom | BNET Thu, 21 May 2009 15:06:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-394881 [...] payment scheme in a few weeks.  Yet new media pundits like Jeff Jarvis are still convinced that a micropayment system will never work for the news industry. People just won’t stop to pay a few cents to read a news story or gain access to a news site [...] [...] payment scheme in a few weeks.  Yet new media pundits like Jeff Jarvis are still convinced that a micropayment system will never work for the news industry. People just won’t stop to pay a few cents to read a news story or gain access to a news site [...]

]]> By: Positive Invoice Finance http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-394480 Positive Invoice Finance Sat, 16 May 2009 09:14:53 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-394480 he content is free, but readers pay for increased access to and interaction with journalists. It’s freemium news: free content, premium services on top. he content is free, but readers pay for increased access to and interaction with journalists. It’s freemium news: free content, premium services on top.

]]> By: LSDI : Chi salverà i giornali? Ecco i business model possibili http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-394402 LSDI : Chi salverà i giornali? Ecco i business model possibili Fri, 15 May 2009 05:41:52 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-394402 [...] trovare una soluzione all’impasse attuale: iper-locale, metro paper e contenuti a pagamento. Jarvis ha più volte espresso la sua perplessità sulla riuscita dei modelli a pagamento, e non è il solo, sebbene vi siano più voci a [...] [...] trovare una soluzione all’impasse attuale: iper-locale, metro paper e contenuti a pagamento. Jarvis ha più volte espresso la sua perplessità sulla riuscita dei modelli a pagamento, e non è il solo, sebbene vi siano più voci a [...]

]]> By: Businessmodelle für Journalismus | Björn Sievers http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-393345 Businessmodelle für Journalismus | Björn Sievers Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:30:59 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-393345 [...] um Geschäftsmodelle für Journalismus. Schon seit Monaten sucht er nach Zahlen zu Bezahlmodellen (an die er bisher nicht glaubt). Jetzt gibt es ein Projekt an der CUNY Graduate School of Journalism, wo Jarvis unterrichtet. Bin [...] [...] um Geschäftsmodelle für Journalismus. Schon seit Monaten sucht er nach Zahlen zu Bezahlmodellen (an die er bisher nicht glaubt). Jetzt gibt es ein Projekt an der CUNY Graduate School of Journalism, wo Jarvis unterrichtet. Bin [...]

]]> By: NewBizNews: Paid content models « BuzzMachine http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-393310 NewBizNews: Paid content models « BuzzMachine Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:36:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-393310 [...] let me be clear that I have been skeptical about the prospects of charging for content online (here’s my reasoning). Here’s Clay Shirky’s more eloquent argument. Others believe that charging for content [...] [...] let me be clear that I have been skeptical about the prospects of charging for content online (here’s my reasoning). Here’s Clay Shirky’s more eloquent argument. Others believe that charging for content [...]

]]> By: Pagar por contenidos en internet y el futuro de los periódicos | Amuzigi.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-391923 Pagar por contenidos en internet y el futuro de los periódicos | Amuzigi.com Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:24:32 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-391923 [...] cobrar por contenidos en la web de hoy, con Nick Carr empeñado en buscar fórmulas y otros como Jarvis o Clay Shirky rebatiendo cada una. Las tesis de Carr y otros sobre como podrá hacer negocio la [...] [...] cobrar por contenidos en la web de hoy, con Nick Carr empeñado en buscar fórmulas y otros como Jarvis o Clay Shirky rebatiendo cada una. Las tesis de Carr y otros sobre como podrá hacer negocio la [...]

]]> By: If you’re still thinking about charging for online news in 2009, you’re dead already (a primer) | Online Journalism Blog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-391750 If you’re still thinking about charging for online news in 2009, you’re dead already (a primer) | Online Journalism Blog Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:46:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-391750 [...] From Jeff Jarvis: “Micropayments have never been shown to work except when distribution is tightly controlled (see: mobile phones and iTunes). Subscriptions have been abandoned by The New York Times and others because the costs, enumerated above, are too high. A newspaper cartel is an oxymoron, as publishers have never shown the ability to self-organize (the last attempt in the U.S., the New Century Network, was a flaming disaster). Charities are lovely, but even the Scott Trust that generously supports this newspaper rose not out of pure altruism but out of a need to avoid inheritance taxes that would have forced a sale. Government support has been discussed in these pages but I, for one, am fearful of the notion of the prey feeding the watchdogs. The Kindle is cool but has a tiny audience.” [...] [...] From Jeff Jarvis: “Micropayments have never been shown to work except when distribution is tightly controlled (see: mobile phones and iTunes). Subscriptions have been abandoned by The New York Times and others because the costs, enumerated above, are too high. A newspaper cartel is an oxymoron, as publishers have never shown the ability to self-organize (the last attempt in the U.S., the New Century Network, was a flaming disaster). Charities are lovely, but even the Scott Trust that generously supports this newspaper rose not out of pure altruism but out of a need to avoid inheritance taxes that would have forced a sale. Government support has been discussed in these pages but I, for one, am fearful of the notion of the prey feeding the watchdogs. The Kindle is cool but has a tiny audience.” [...]

]]> By: Conspiring to death « BuzzMachine http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-391539 Conspiring to death « BuzzMachine Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:40:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-391539 [...] person - and find out why your own friggin’ paper made its own good economic decisions to stop charging?!?); and kissing off the aggregators (hey, David, can you imagine what would happen to [...] [...] person – and find out why your own friggin’ paper made its own good economic decisions to stop charging?!?); and kissing off the aggregators (hey, David, can you imagine what would happen to [...]

]]> By: Technically Philly » Can the Philadelphia general interest newspaper thrive with technology? | Covering the Community of People Who Use Technology in Philadelphia. http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-391352 Technically Philly » Can the Philadelphia general interest newspaper thrive with technology? | Covering the Community of People Who Use Technology in Philadelphia. Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:39:12 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-391352 [...] viewers, building brands and offering news around-the-clock. [Source] Arguments continue to rage on micropayments and protected content, like Newsday’s recent announcement of its protection paywall. [...] [...] viewers, building brands and offering news around-the-clock. [Source] Arguments continue to rage on micropayments and protected content, like Newsday’s recent announcement of its protection paywall. [...]

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-391278 Jeff Jarvis Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:48:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-391278 So does a newsstand. So does a printing company. So does the Post Office. So does FedEx. So does a store. So does a salesman. So? So does a newsstand. So does a printing company. So does the Post Office. So does FedEx. So does a store. So does a salesman. So?

]]> By: John http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-391277 John Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:41:57 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-391277 "Newspapers should be grateful that Google doesn’t charge them for the value it shares in links and audience. Google is their generous, free newsstand. " But I think the larger point is that Google is always benefitting off the work of others with its search business. “Newspapers should be grateful that Google doesn’t charge them for the value it shares in links and audience. Google is their generous, free newsstand. ”

But I think the larger point is that Google is always benefitting off the work of others with its search business.

]]> By: Veckan som gick - vecka 9 at Same Same But Different http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-391232 Veckan som gick - vecka 9 at Same Same But Different Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:40:26 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-391232 [...] Jarvis tycker fortfarande att det är en dålig idé att ta betalt för nyheter, och han har goda argument: But online news is different for many [...] [...] Jarvis tycker fortfarande att det är en dålig idé att ta betalt för nyheter, och han har goda argument: But online news is different for many [...]

]]> By: Photomaniacal » Blog Archive » Jeff Jarvis whacks idea of press charging for content as a ‘waste of precious time’ http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-391133 Photomaniacal » Blog Archive » Jeff Jarvis whacks idea of press charging for content as a ‘waste of precious time’ Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:33:53 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-391133 [...] new opportunities to transform journalism for a new age.”Full draft of Jarvis article is here Please upgrade your browser Tags: America, crisis, economy, Italy, Mexico, News, United States, [...] [...] new opportunities to transform journalism for a new age.”Full draft of Jarvis article is here Please upgrade your browser Tags: America, crisis, economy, Italy, Mexico, News, United States, [...]

]]> By: Karl http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-390979 Karl Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:37:15 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-390979 <i>First, as soon as knowledge is known, it’s a commodity—and not a scarce one that can be controlled.</i> Tom Curley & Co. are working on that problem, with the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/22/AR2009022201243.html" rel="nofollow">"hot news" doctrine</a> as their legal cudgel du jour. Not that the AP will have any more luck with that than its other litigation tactics. First, as soon as knowledge is known, it’s a commodity—and not a scarce one that can be controlled.

Tom Curley & Co. are working on that problem, with the “hot news” doctrine as their legal cudgel du jour. Not that the AP will have any more luck with that than its other litigation tactics.

]]> By: Josh Young http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/02/23/guardian-column-whack-a-mole-with-micropayments/#comment-390966 Josh Young Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:52:03 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4250#comment-390966 There are too many pleas for rescue that appeal to the idea that news magically (morally!) deserves payment but ignore what we users of news really want. You want exploration of a new business model? My sense is that real human potential for increased trust between journalists and their readers is one critical place to look for value. The idea? The content is free, but readers pay for increased access to and interaction with journalists. It’s freemium news: free content, premium services on top. http://networkednews.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/no-micropayments-maybe-charity-yes-freemium-news/ Kindly recommended by Jay Rosen here: http://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1220179478 There are too many pleas for rescue that appeal to the idea that news magically (morally!) deserves payment but ignore what we users of news really want. You want exploration of a new business model?

My sense is that real human potential for increased trust between journalists and their readers is one critical place to look for value. The idea? The content is free, but readers pay for increased access to and interaction with journalists. It’s freemium news: free content, premium services on top.

http://networkednews.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/no-micropayments-maybe-charity-yes-freemium-news/

Kindly recommended by Jay Rosen here:

http://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1220179478

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