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		<title>By: Journalism students could fill gaps for now, but what next? - The Hannay Angle</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-394013</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalism students could fill gaps for now, but what next? - The Hannay Angle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on over the last week (a week that hasn&#8217;t left me much time for thinking or writing), but I read something on Jeff Jarvis&#8217;s BuzzMachine today that I just had to comment on: We’ve been talking about how our students could possibly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on over the last week (a week that hasn&#8217;t left me much time for thinking or writing), but I read something on Jeff Jarvis&#8217;s BuzzMachine today that I just had to comment on: We’ve been talking about how our students could possibly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: E. Kimbell</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-392568</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Kimbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graduated students have always been a cheap(er) source of labor than the older, more experience workers in a field. And in an economy such as this one, it&#039;s a little embarrassing that inexperienced reporters may be hired in lieu of experiences ones, simply because newspaper or magazine payrolls can&#039;t afford the big shots.

Still, Jeff is calling for journalism to adapt, just like it had to do when radios entered consumer homes, and later television. These things were supposed to kill newspapers - they didn&#039;t. I&#039;m not claiming that print will survive its latest competitor, but regardless of the punches, journalism has found a way to roll and survive.

On that note, as a graduating journalism student myself, I&#039;m one of those people that will be studying abroad and building my portfolio until the dust settles. I can only hope that the summer season will bolster the economy just a bit, even if families won&#039;t be vacationing the same way as they did years before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graduated students have always been a cheap(er) source of labor than the older, more experience workers in a field. And in an economy such as this one, it&#8217;s a little embarrassing that inexperienced reporters may be hired in lieu of experiences ones, simply because newspaper or magazine payrolls can&#8217;t afford the big shots.</p>
<p>Still, Jeff is calling for journalism to adapt, just like it had to do when radios entered consumer homes, and later television. These things were supposed to kill newspapers &#8211; they didn&#8217;t. I&#8217;m not claiming that print will survive its latest competitor, but regardless of the punches, journalism has found a way to roll and survive.</p>
<p>On that note, as a graduating journalism student myself, I&#8217;m one of those people that will be studying abroad and building my portfolio until the dust settles. I can only hope that the summer season will bolster the economy just a bit, even if families won&#8217;t be vacationing the same way as they did years before.</p>
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		<title>By: Responding to the Deindustrialization of Journalism &#171; Working-Class Perspectives</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-392121</link>
		<dc:creator>Responding to the Deindustrialization of Journalism &#171; Working-Class Perspectives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a possible role in the continued downsizing of newsroom staff, an issue currently being aired on Jarvis&#8217;s blog in connection with a post on CUNY&#8217;s NYCity News Service [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a possible role in the continued downsizing of newsroom staff, an issue currently being aired on Jarvis&#8217;s blog in connection with a post on CUNY&#8217;s NYCity News Service [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Los desafíos del nuevo periodismo &#171; Horacio Garay</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-392046</link>
		<dc:creator>Los desafíos del nuevo periodismo &#171; Horacio Garay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] una leve dosis de optimismo por parte de los desesperados editores, Jeff Jarvis da el pie para una discusión interesante acerca del futuro del periodismo con todos los cambios que hemos ido observando, en [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] una leve dosis de optimismo por parte de los desesperados editores, Jeff Jarvis da el pie para una discusión interesante acerca del futuro del periodismo con todos los cambios que hemos ido observando, en [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa Lenhoff and Tim Francisco</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391849</link>
		<dc:creator>Alyssa Lenhoff and Tim Francisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At Youngstown State University, we are currently developing a collaborative news bureau very much like the one you are describing. Our idea is for students to cover enterprise and investigative stories from the Rust Belt region. We see this as a potentially positive contribution to the collapsing media market in Northeastern Ohio. We are looking for ways to involve other universities, particularly in the Rust Belt region. We would love to exchange ideas and feedback here or in some other venue. We can be reached via e-mail at ajlenhoff@ysu.edu or tfrancisco@ysu.edu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Youngstown State University, we are currently developing a collaborative news bureau very much like the one you are describing. Our idea is for students to cover enterprise and investigative stories from the Rust Belt region. We see this as a potentially positive contribution to the collapsing media market in Northeastern Ohio. We are looking for ways to involve other universities, particularly in the Rust Belt region. We would love to exchange ideas and feedback here or in some other venue. We can be reached via e-mail at <a href="mailto:ajlenhoff@ysu.edu">ajlenhoff@ysu.edu</a> or <a href="mailto:tfrancisco@ysu.edu">tfrancisco@ysu.edu</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: The Future of Journalism &#171; Carolyn VanBrocklin&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391845</link>
		<dc:creator>The Future of Journalism &#171; Carolyn VanBrocklin&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a recent March 9th post on his blog BuzzMachine, Jeff Jarvis discussed the role of journalism students in “the new news marketplace.” He wrote that students should be able to help out the local news [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a recent March 9th post on his blog BuzzMachine, Jeff Jarvis discussed the role of journalism students in “the new news marketplace.” He wrote that students should be able to help out the local news [...]</p>
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		<title>By: christopher Leone</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391732</link>
		<dc:creator>christopher Leone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot tell you enough, Buzz machine and Jeff Jarvis are fonts of really good information.  

Question: Given that we talking about local news and info, do we keep away from the bigger topics of religion and national politics so things don&#039;t degrade into a faith/partisan mud slinging feast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot tell you enough, Buzz machine and Jeff Jarvis are fonts of really good information.  </p>
<p>Question: Given that we talking about local news and info, do we keep away from the bigger topics of religion and national politics so things don&#8217;t degrade into a faith/partisan mud slinging feast?</p>
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		<title>By: Stowe Boyd</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391722</link>
		<dc:creator>Stowe Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find hope in the idea that innovation in media will come from those least connected to the current media norms and mores.

We are headed to a great reappraisal of value in the world, and one perspective on the collapse of print media is that it has inherently less value in the markets that exist, or, as people continue to reject the mass identity that mass media demands.

But I wonder if this cadre will dream up a new media that supports social identity? That is based on scalar freedoms? Or are they too tied up with large scale, centrally controlled social discourse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find hope in the idea that innovation in media will come from those least connected to the current media norms and mores.</p>
<p>We are headed to a great reappraisal of value in the world, and one perspective on the collapse of print media is that it has inherently less value in the markets that exist, or, as people continue to reject the mass identity that mass media demands.</p>
<p>But I wonder if this cadre will dream up a new media that supports social identity? That is based on scalar freedoms? Or are they too tied up with large scale, centrally controlled social discourse?</p>
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		<title>By: Roboteer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391712</link>
		<dc:creator>Roboteer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing wrong with collaboration, but as a practicing and, fortunately, employed journalist, I do wonder - What will happen to your journalism students when they graduate? I hope you&#039;re not in the camp that&#039;s promoting the end of full-time journalism. I think it&#039;s important to have people who can dedicate their whole working days to finding, planning, preparing and presenting the stories of what&#039;s going on in our world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with collaboration, but as a practicing and, fortunately, employed journalist, I do wonder &#8211; What will happen to your journalism students when they graduate? I hope you&#8217;re not in the camp that&#8217;s promoting the end of full-time journalism. I think it&#8217;s important to have people who can dedicate their whole working days to finding, planning, preparing and presenting the stories of what&#8217;s going on in our world.</p>
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		<title>By: Productivité ou danger? : Lock-out au Journal de Montréal &#171; Sébastien Lavallée</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391705</link>
		<dc:creator>Productivité ou danger? : Lock-out au Journal de Montréal &#171; Sébastien Lavallée</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lock-out pour le moment). D&#8217;autant plus que Jeff Jarvis, que je cite dans ce texte, a lancé une idée plutôt intéressante sur le sujet: ouvrir les portes des médias aux pigistes, étudiants et autres afin de combler les [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lock-out pour le moment). D&#8217;autant plus que Jeff Jarvis, que je cite dans ce texte, a lancé une idée plutôt intéressante sur le sujet: ouvrir les portes des médias aux pigistes, étudiants et autres afin de combler les [...]</p>
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		<title>By: diigo 03/10/2009 (p.m.) &#124; synapsenschnappsen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391664</link>
		<dc:creator>diigo 03/10/2009 (p.m.) &#124; synapsenschnappsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journalism students’ role in the new news marketplace « BuzzMachine [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Franker</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391631</link>
		<dc:creator>Franker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina, i&#039;m with you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina, i&#8217;m with you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Blackman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391630</link>
		<dc:creator>James Blackman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a journalism student and I would be happy to work on this sort of thing...only if, however, it would lead to a job and a good salary eventually as a paid journalist. I am 27 and can&#039;t afford it be any other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a journalism student and I would be happy to work on this sort of thing&#8230;only if, however, it would lead to a job and a good salary eventually as a paid journalist. I am 27 and can&#8217;t afford it be any other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalism students could fill gaps for now, but what next? &#171; The Hannay Angle</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391621</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalism students could fill gaps for now, but what next? &#171; The Hannay Angle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on over the last week (a week that hasn&#8217;t left me much time for thinking or writing), but I read something on Jeff Jarvis&#8217;s BuzzMachine today that I just had to comment on: We’ve been talking about how our students could possibly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on over the last week (a week that hasn&#8217;t left me much time for thinking or writing), but I read something on Jeff Jarvis&#8217;s BuzzMachine today that I just had to comment on: We’ve been talking about how our students could possibly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Chen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391616</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I disagree with some of the other commenters. I think collaborations -- between student journalists and pros and between pros from different news organizations -- is an idea worth exploring.

Sure, I don&#039;t want to get laid off so a college student who knows much less than I gets a job. But I do think that news organizations for too long have become islands unto themselves. Let&#039;s not kill the idea of collaboration just because it could be done poorly. Any good idea -- or bad one -- can be done poorly.

As far as the lack of competition ... The fact is competition died in most markets long ago. Not glad to see that. I think competition has value. But let&#039;s not pretend most daily newspaper journalists have real competition from another media organization anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I disagree with some of the other commenters. I think collaborations &#8212; between student journalists and pros and between pros from different news organizations &#8212; is an idea worth exploring.</p>
<p>Sure, I don&#8217;t want to get laid off so a college student who knows much less than I gets a job. But I do think that news organizations for too long have become islands unto themselves. Let&#8217;s not kill the idea of collaboration just because it could be done poorly. Any good idea &#8212; or bad one &#8212; can be done poorly.</p>
<p>As far as the lack of competition &#8230; The fact is competition died in most markets long ago. Not glad to see that. I think competition has value. But let&#8217;s not pretend most daily newspaper journalists have real competition from another media organization anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Manitoba</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391615</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Manitoba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, journalism students. Forget those of us ink-and-pulp vets in our thirties; we&#039;re too old and afear&#039;d of the big bad Internets, even though we&#039;ve been using it for past 15-plus years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, journalism students. Forget those of us ink-and-pulp vets in our thirties; we&#8217;re too old and afear&#8217;d of the big bad Internets, even though we&#8217;ve been using it for past 15-plus years.</p>
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		<title>By: barbara raab</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391614</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara raab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey commenters, you seem to be overlooking Jeff&#039;s simultaneous call for editors/curators -- that&#039;s part of the new ecosystem.

This is intriguing, Jeff; imagine if it were combined with the marketplace David Cohn is creating with his Spot.us project ... could be interesting, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey commenters, you seem to be overlooking Jeff&#8217;s simultaneous call for editors/curators &#8212; that&#8217;s part of the new ecosystem.</p>
<p>This is intriguing, Jeff; imagine if it were combined with the marketplace David Cohn is creating with his Spot.us project &#8230; could be interesting, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Emma G.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391610</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More armchair drivel. 

Yeah, High School kids out reporting--that&#039;s a brilliant idea.  No doubt there&#039;s an endless supply of the likes of Ryan McPherson all too willing to participate.  You need to go back to the drawing board on this one my man.   

I&#039;m not shedding any tears over the demise of mainstream media, mind you, but your ideas are wacky.  This so called &quot;ecosystem&quot; you describe will become the ecosystem of the leisure class, where only the privileged few can afford to participate--students, trustifarians, and tenured professors.

Emma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More armchair drivel. </p>
<p>Yeah, High School kids out reporting&#8211;that&#8217;s a brilliant idea.  No doubt there&#8217;s an endless supply of the likes of Ryan McPherson all too willing to participate.  You need to go back to the drawing board on this one my man.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not shedding any tears over the demise of mainstream media, mind you, but your ideas are wacky.  This so called &#8220;ecosystem&#8221; you describe will become the ecosystem of the leisure class, where only the privileged few can afford to participate&#8211;students, trustifarians, and tenured professors.</p>
<p>Emma</p>
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		<title>By: self-promotion</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/09/journalism-students-role-in-the-new-news-marketplace/#comment-391605</link>
		<dc:creator>self-promotion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, cheap labor! let the students report the news. Then hire them, so you can lay them off later and get more students to report the news.

I agree that news outfits are moribund, but jeff, think this through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, cheap labor! let the students report the news. Then hire them, so you can lay them off later and get more students to report the news.</p>
<p>I agree that news outfits are moribund, but jeff, think this through.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalism students’ role in the new news marketplace « BuzzMachine &#124; D@J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalism students’ role in the new news marketplace « BuzzMachine &#124; D@J</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: JMC 352</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMC 352</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis, he of the big ideas, is imagining a new marketplace for journalism: What we’ve just built is a new ecosystem of news that tries to make sure that more news gets covered. It’s collaborative and complementary, as I believe news will be - will have to be - in the future. Yes, one could also say it’s anticompetitive but that’s the last problem for news organizations today (and, again, this is the one idea on news’ future that I share with David Carr). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis, he of the big ideas, is imagining a new marketplace for journalism: What we’ve just built is a new ecosystem of news that tries to make sure that more news gets covered. It’s collaborative and complementary, as I believe news will be &#8211; will have to be &#8211; in the future. Yes, one could also say it’s anticompetitive but that’s the last problem for news organizations today (and, again, this is the one idea on news’ future that I share with David Carr). [...]</p>
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