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		<title>By: FP Marketing: Industry views from CMA head John Gustavson - FP Posted &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>FP Marketing: Industry views from CMA head John Gustavson - FP Posted &#124;</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: John A Robb</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/26/visiting-yesterdays-innovators-in-toronto/#comment-392293</link>
		<dc:creator>John A Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,  I&#039;ll leave all the fighting about motives to others.  I just wanted to let you know I enjoyed your piece about City TV.   I grow up with City TV and never realized just how different the place was.   It was nice to read that good old City TV would influence you.    One of the things they did in the early days was play &quot;blue movies&quot; late at night and on weekends.  I wonder if that helped them get a bit of an audience?  Is there an analog there for newspapers?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,  I&#8217;ll leave all the fighting about motives to others.  I just wanted to let you know I enjoyed your piece about City TV.   I grow up with City TV and never realized just how different the place was.   It was nice to read that good old City TV would influence you.    One of the things they did in the early days was play &#8220;blue movies&#8221; late at night and on weekends.  I wonder if that helped them get a bit of an audience?  Is there an analog there for newspapers?  <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; What they do deserve, however, is a little more objective coverage of their problems and more detailed disclosure about the possible motives of those “critics” and “analysts” who are hardly unbiased observers.

Since that&#039;s not how journalism treats anyone else....

Goose and gander, reap and sow, turnabout.

News can be valuable, but news folks haven&#039;t delivered value for a long time.  That&#039;s why they&#039;re the only ones who care that their biz is going away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; What they do deserve, however, is a little more objective coverage of their problems and more detailed disclosure about the possible motives of those “critics” and “analysts” who are hardly unbiased observers.</p>
<p>Since that&#8217;s not how journalism treats anyone else&#8230;.</p>
<p>Goose and gander, reap and sow, turnabout.</p>
<p>News can be valuable, but news folks haven&#8217;t delivered value for a long time.  That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re the only ones who care that their biz is going away.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; As many newspaper companies try to turn themselves around in a brutal economy, under huge debt loads and against a backdrop of increasingly funereal media coverage, it’s worth looking at the behavior and motives of some of the industry’s harshest critics.

Why?  Newspapers aren&#039;t losing readers because of those critics. 

&gt; Earlier this month, Time magazine, struggling for its own survival in the hemorrhaging newsweekly marketplace, published a column

Which Woronoff claims is complete trash.

If Time is publishing trash, why does Woronoff want it to survive?

Readers, the folks who are abandoning the mainstream media, don&#039;t read Jarvis.

Maybe the critics are wrong about why readers are taking their attention and money elsewhere, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; As many newspaper companies try to turn themselves around in a brutal economy, under huge debt loads and against a backdrop of increasingly funereal media coverage, it’s worth looking at the behavior and motives of some of the industry’s harshest critics.</p>
<p>Why?  Newspapers aren&#8217;t losing readers because of those critics. </p>
<p>&gt; Earlier this month, Time magazine, struggling for its own survival in the hemorrhaging newsweekly marketplace, published a column</p>
<p>Which Woronoff claims is complete trash.</p>
<p>If Time is publishing trash, why does Woronoff want it to survive?</p>
<p>Readers, the folks who are abandoning the mainstream media, don&#8217;t read Jarvis.</p>
<p>Maybe the critics are wrong about why readers are taking their attention and money elsewhere, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/26/visiting-yesterdays-innovators-in-toronto/#comment-392281</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you so like to attack? 

Siegel&#039;s motive is to sell his &quot;magazine&quot; to an industry that is dying and he doesn&#039;t like people saying it&#039;s dying because it hurts him. I&#039;ve said enough about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you so like to attack? </p>
<p>Siegel&#8217;s motive is to sell his &#8220;magazine&#8221; to an industry that is dying and he doesn&#8217;t like people saying it&#8217;s dying because it hurts him. I&#8217;ve said enough about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,

I disagree that the Randy Siegel article was a personal attack. To me it seems like a well-written and well-argued criticism that a lot of people have of you.

On the contrary, your &quot;Siegel didn&#039;t&quot; response is very much a personal attack and just tries to criticize Siegel for being clueless about how awesome you really are.

You can label him or me a curmudgeon, troll or snarky or whatever, but for someone who portrays himself so grandly, I would think you would defend yourself with more tact.

If Siegel&#039;s article is a personal attack, what is his motive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>I disagree that the Randy Siegel article was a personal attack. To me it seems like a well-written and well-argued criticism that a lot of people have of you.</p>
<p>On the contrary, your &#8220;Siegel didn&#8217;t&#8221; response is very much a personal attack and just tries to criticize Siegel for being clueless about how awesome you really are.</p>
<p>You can label him or me a curmudgeon, troll or snarky or whatever, but for someone who portrays himself so grandly, I would think you would defend yourself with more tact.</p>
<p>If Siegel&#8217;s article is a personal attack, what is his motive?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Prof.Jarvis:

How  come you, in all your glory, have not once, EVER, mentioned that it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to start a media outlet in Washington, DC without getting &quot;approved&quot; by the committee of incumbent dominant media outlets that accredit publications (not journalists) for access to the Capitol and the surrounding complex?

How about you talk about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Prof.Jarvis:</p>
<p>How  come you, in all your glory, have not once, EVER, mentioned that it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to start a media outlet in Washington, DC without getting &#8220;approved&#8221; by the committee of incumbent dominant media outlets that accredit publications (not journalists) for access to the Capitol and the surrounding complex?</p>
<p>How about you talk about that?</p>
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		<title>By: invitedmedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>invitedmedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that entire article is being pasted on newspaper co.&#039;s stock message boards over on yahoo!. 

like the boogeyman &#039;naked short sellers&quot; that have purportedly set into motion the death of democracy, this sort of thing gives the tin foil hat crowd someone/something to vent @.

the recent revelation that craigslist is a good place to find hookers, &#039;bad medicine&#039; is being dispensed by google, there are &quot;ghosts&quot; lurking on twitter, etc. etc., all the same crap.


i do find it odd that the author doesn&#039;t demand a takedown and insist on a LINK TO his original writing where he might pocket a little coin.

get with the program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that entire article is being pasted on newspaper co.&#8217;s stock message boards over on yahoo!. </p>
<p>like the boogeyman &#8216;naked short sellers&#8221; that have purportedly set into motion the death of democracy, this sort of thing gives the tin foil hat crowd someone/something to vent @.</p>
<p>the recent revelation that craigslist is a good place to find hookers, &#8216;bad medicine&#8217; is being dispensed by google, there are &#8220;ghosts&#8221; lurking on twitter, etc. etc., all the same crap.</p>
<p>i do find it odd that the author doesn&#8217;t demand a takedown and insist on a LINK TO his original writing where he might pocket a little coin.</p>
<p>get with the program.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/26/visiting-yesterdays-innovators-in-toronto/#comment-392257</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And should I blog about a personal attack?
But since you asked...
Siegel doesn&#039;t reveal his own self-interest/conflict of interest in this. He sells his &quot;magazine,&quot; Parade, to newspapers and as newspapers cut unnecessary expenses and die, he loses. 
Siegel doesn&#039;t say that he didn&#039;t just meet me; we worked together for much of the 12 years I was president and creative director of the online arm of his parent company. 
Siegel doesn&#039;t reveal that I tried to get his magazine into the internet in effective ways but found that impossible. 
Siegel doesn&#039;t say that my supposedly lucrative consulting practice amounts to one client now: His parent company. 
Siegel doesn&#039;t say that what I do there is work on a newspaper project trying to preserve and advance local journalism (in Ann Arbor). 
Siegel doesn&#039;t say that I now make a fraction of what I did when I worked for his company and I did that - choosing to teach - because I give a shit about the future of journalism. 
Siegel doesn&#039;t say that I run the New Business Models for News Project at CUNY and try to help the industry find and explore new business  models to sustain journalism. 
Siegel is the one with the conflict of interest and that is what he acts out of here. 
Siegel didn&#039;t have the simple civility to respond to me. 
Siegel didn&#039;t get the top job at his company when his boss left. 
Why should I feel obligated to put up such a idiocy? I see no reason whatsoever. But since you asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And should I blog about a personal attack?<br />
But since you asked&#8230;<br />
Siegel doesn&#8217;t reveal his own self-interest/conflict of interest in this. He sells his &#8220;magazine,&#8221; Parade, to newspapers and as newspapers cut unnecessary expenses and die, he loses.<br />
Siegel doesn&#8217;t say that he didn&#8217;t just meet me; we worked together for much of the 12 years I was president and creative director of the online arm of his parent company.<br />
Siegel doesn&#8217;t reveal that I tried to get his magazine into the internet in effective ways but found that impossible.<br />
Siegel doesn&#8217;t say that my supposedly lucrative consulting practice amounts to one client now: His parent company.<br />
Siegel doesn&#8217;t say that what I do there is work on a newspaper project trying to preserve and advance local journalism (in Ann Arbor).<br />
Siegel doesn&#8217;t say that I now make a fraction of what I did when I worked for his company and I did that &#8211; choosing to teach &#8211; because I give a shit about the future of journalism.<br />
Siegel doesn&#8217;t say that I run the New Business Models for News Project at CUNY and try to help the industry find and explore new business  models to sustain journalism.<br />
Siegel is the one with the conflict of interest and that is what he acts out of here.<br />
Siegel didn&#8217;t have the simple civility to respond to me.<br />
Siegel didn&#8217;t get the top job at his company when his boss left.<br />
Why should I feel obligated to put up such a idiocy? I see no reason whatsoever. But since you asked.</p>
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		<title>By: David Woronoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Woronoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the attached column by Randy Siegel, publisher of Parade, interesting. Surprised you haven&#039;t blogged about it -- especially since he takes you to task in it. 



As many newspaper companies try to turn themselves around in a brutal economy, under huge debt loads and against a backdrop of increasingly funereal media coverage, it’s worth looking at the behavior and motives of some of the industry’s harshest critics.
Earlier this month, Time magazine, struggling for its own survival in the hemorrhaging newsweekly marketplace, published a column on its Web site entitled “The 10 Most Endangered Newspapers in America,” which hundreds of news outlets around the world ran under the headline “What Newspapers Will Die in 2009?” complete with a list of soon-to-be-dead newspapers.  The trouble is that Time’s “report” appears to have been created from pure speculation, with minimal reporting or research, by a Time.com affiliate called 24/7 Wall St.
Needless to say, the Time piece roiled the newspaper industry, sparking denials and rebuttals while driving already beaten-down newspaper-company stocks even lower. Though 99 percent of the people who read this premature obituary probably assumed it was written by the professional journalists at Time magazine, it actually was written by Douglas McIntyre, an editor at 24/7 Wall St., which, according to its Web site, also runs a site called Volume Spike Investor, whose self-described goal is to bring stock-market speculators “5 to 10 stock ideas per day in unusual trading activity that we see in stock volume and in options activities. Many of these stocks are among very active and very liquid stocks, yet we will always aim to bring you key ideas in stocks that might not otherwise get noticed.” 
It’s a sad day when Time magazine, once one of the most trusted publications in America, runs an unsubstantiated article on its Web site, without a single disclaimer, from Wall Street speculators who make their living peddling tips to help day-traders jump in and out of distressed stocks.
Another prominent newspaper pundit with questionable motives is the ubiquitous Jeff Jarvis, a former magazine editor and newspaper executive who has built a lucrative cottage industry for himself as a quote-machine, author, blogger, speaker and new-media consultant specializing in one primary area of pontification: the imminent death of newspapers and the rise of a new world order dominated by his favorite company, Google, the fawning subject of his most recent book, &quot;What Would Google Do?&quot; In fact, if you Google “Jeff Jarvis and the death of newspapers,” 74,000 articles and references pop right up.
If any journalist on deadline needs a quote about the imminent death of newspapers, Jarvis will serve one up in a hurry. His BuzzMachine blog features columns such as “Newspapers are f***ed” and “Hitting the coffin nail on the head for newspapers.”
I’ve met Jarvis and found him engaging, but it’s disappointing how often he is quoted by other journalists as a “newspaper-industry analyst” or “media critic” without any mention of his bias or his consulting work for new-media companies, including Daylife, a popular aggregator of other people’s proprietary journalism for Web sites that can’t afford to pay for their own content. While Jarvis’ business success is clearly a result of his hard work and entrepreneurial zeal, his crusade against newspapers needs to be looked at in the proper context: The more newspaper companies struggle, the better Jarvis does on a number of levels.
Other consistently biased players in the newspaper speculation game are the folks at CNN.com, who have done a wonderful job building up their news site but probably would like nothing better than to see newspapers and newspaper Web sites fail, so their biggest competitors for audience and ad revenue would go by the wayside. Two recent examples prove the point: When Denver recently lost its second newspaper, The Rocky Mountain News, leaving the city with one relatively strong newspaper, The Denver Post, CNN ran a huge story on its home page:
“The Rocky Mountain News was the latest victim in an era of shutdowns, layoffs and cutbacks plaguing the newspaper industry.  ‘It’s in a free fall and nobody knows where the bottom is. It’s kind of like water in the toilet swirling around and nobody knows what’s left when you’re done flushing,’ media critic Eric Alterman said. Newspapers across the country are under pressure as readership declines, along with advertising revenue, while more and more Americans get their information online.” At least give CNN credit for using toilet humor to trash the competition and advance their own agenda, which includes promoting their new wire service for newspapers, CNN Wire.
When The Washington Post announced that it was moving its Business section into its front section without any layoffs or staffing changes, CNN.com jumped right in with another big piece on its home page, trumpeting yet another sign of the impending implosion of the newspaper industry. Not only did the piece receive an excessively prominent position on CNN.com’s home page – which was odd given other more important news of the day – but it was riddled with factual errors, including this: “The Post, one of the oldest newspapers in Washington, has a daily readership of 289,300, according to its Web site.” Hmmm…While the Post is the oldest newspaper in our nation’s capital and one of the oldest and most prestigious in our country, its daily readership is actually 1.6 million, not 289,300. But why should facts get in the way of opinion?
As newspaper companies fight for survival and attempt to rectify many of the mistakes they have made in the last decade, they don’t deserve a break from anyone – their readers, their advertisers or their competitors. What they do deserve, however, is a little more objective coverage of their problems and more detailed disclosure about the possible motives of those “critics” and “analysts” who are hardly unbiased observers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the attached column by Randy Siegel, publisher of Parade, interesting. Surprised you haven&#8217;t blogged about it &#8212; especially since he takes you to task in it. </p>
<p>As many newspaper companies try to turn themselves around in a brutal economy, under huge debt loads and against a backdrop of increasingly funereal media coverage, it’s worth looking at the behavior and motives of some of the industry’s harshest critics.<br />
Earlier this month, Time magazine, struggling for its own survival in the hemorrhaging newsweekly marketplace, published a column on its Web site entitled “The 10 Most Endangered Newspapers in America,” which hundreds of news outlets around the world ran under the headline “What Newspapers Will Die in 2009?” complete with a list of soon-to-be-dead newspapers.  The trouble is that Time’s “report” appears to have been created from pure speculation, with minimal reporting or research, by a Time.com affiliate called 24/7 Wall St.<br />
Needless to say, the Time piece roiled the newspaper industry, sparking denials and rebuttals while driving already beaten-down newspaper-company stocks even lower. Though 99 percent of the people who read this premature obituary probably assumed it was written by the professional journalists at Time magazine, it actually was written by Douglas McIntyre, an editor at 24/7 Wall St., which, according to its Web site, also runs a site called Volume Spike Investor, whose self-described goal is to bring stock-market speculators “5 to 10 stock ideas per day in unusual trading activity that we see in stock volume and in options activities. Many of these stocks are among very active and very liquid stocks, yet we will always aim to bring you key ideas in stocks that might not otherwise get noticed.”<br />
It’s a sad day when Time magazine, once one of the most trusted publications in America, runs an unsubstantiated article on its Web site, without a single disclaimer, from Wall Street speculators who make their living peddling tips to help day-traders jump in and out of distressed stocks.<br />
Another prominent newspaper pundit with questionable motives is the ubiquitous Jeff Jarvis, a former magazine editor and newspaper executive who has built a lucrative cottage industry for himself as a quote-machine, author, blogger, speaker and new-media consultant specializing in one primary area of pontification: the imminent death of newspapers and the rise of a new world order dominated by his favorite company, Google, the fawning subject of his most recent book, &#8220;What Would Google Do?&#8221; In fact, if you Google “Jeff Jarvis and the death of newspapers,” 74,000 articles and references pop right up.<br />
If any journalist on deadline needs a quote about the imminent death of newspapers, Jarvis will serve one up in a hurry. His BuzzMachine blog features columns such as “Newspapers are f***ed” and “Hitting the coffin nail on the head for newspapers.”<br />
I’ve met Jarvis and found him engaging, but it’s disappointing how often he is quoted by other journalists as a “newspaper-industry analyst” or “media critic” without any mention of his bias or his consulting work for new-media companies, including Daylife, a popular aggregator of other people’s proprietary journalism for Web sites that can’t afford to pay for their own content. While Jarvis’ business success is clearly a result of his hard work and entrepreneurial zeal, his crusade against newspapers needs to be looked at in the proper context: The more newspaper companies struggle, the better Jarvis does on a number of levels.<br />
Other consistently biased players in the newspaper speculation game are the folks at CNN.com, who have done a wonderful job building up their news site but probably would like nothing better than to see newspapers and newspaper Web sites fail, so their biggest competitors for audience and ad revenue would go by the wayside. Two recent examples prove the point: When Denver recently lost its second newspaper, The Rocky Mountain News, leaving the city with one relatively strong newspaper, The Denver Post, CNN ran a huge story on its home page:<br />
“The Rocky Mountain News was the latest victim in an era of shutdowns, layoffs and cutbacks plaguing the newspaper industry.  ‘It’s in a free fall and nobody knows where the bottom is. It’s kind of like water in the toilet swirling around and nobody knows what’s left when you’re done flushing,’ media critic Eric Alterman said. Newspapers across the country are under pressure as readership declines, along with advertising revenue, while more and more Americans get their information online.” At least give CNN credit for using toilet humor to trash the competition and advance their own agenda, which includes promoting their new wire service for newspapers, CNN Wire.<br />
When The Washington Post announced that it was moving its Business section into its front section without any layoffs or staffing changes, CNN.com jumped right in with another big piece on its home page, trumpeting yet another sign of the impending implosion of the newspaper industry. Not only did the piece receive an excessively prominent position on CNN.com’s home page – which was odd given other more important news of the day – but it was riddled with factual errors, including this: “The Post, one of the oldest newspapers in Washington, has a daily readership of 289,300, according to its Web site.” Hmmm…While the Post is the oldest newspaper in our nation’s capital and one of the oldest and most prestigious in our country, its daily readership is actually 1.6 million, not 289,300. But why should facts get in the way of opinion?<br />
As newspaper companies fight for survival and attempt to rectify many of the mistakes they have made in the last decade, they don’t deserve a break from anyone – their readers, their advertisers or their competitors. What they do deserve, however, is a little more objective coverage of their problems and more detailed disclosure about the possible motives of those “critics” and “analysts” who are hardly unbiased observers.</p>
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		<title>By: geoperdis</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoperdis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

Moses didn&#039;t leave, he was pushed out. Very ungracefully too.

geo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>Moses didn&#8217;t leave, he was pushed out. Very ungracefully too.</p>
<p>geo</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks. i wrote this on the plane and meant to fill in that TK and forgot. But that&#039;s why readers are so wonderful; they double as editors, eh? Appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks. i wrote this on the plane and meant to fill in that TK and forgot. But that&#8217;s why readers are so wonderful; they double as editors, eh? Appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: James Barrass</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/26/visiting-yesterdays-innovators-in-toronto/#comment-392234</link>
		<dc:creator>James Barrass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creighton worked at the legendary Toronto Telegram (&quot;the Tely&quot;), which folded in 1971. The Tely was home to a generation of old-style newspapermen, many of whom made the migration, with Creighton, to the tabloid Sun. The Telegram had been owned by John Bassett, a local media mogul whose family shifted their interest to television. Bassett was a founding partner of Toronto TV station CFTO, anchor of Canada&#039;s first commercial network, CTV (now part of CTV Globemedia).
In a way, this little bit of news history illustrates the same pattern... the tension between the colorful characters and the suits, the inventors and the consolidators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creighton worked at the legendary Toronto Telegram (&#8220;the Tely&#8221;), which folded in 1971. The Tely was home to a generation of old-style newspapermen, many of whom made the migration, with Creighton, to the tabloid Sun. The Telegram had been owned by John Bassett, a local media mogul whose family shifted their interest to television. Bassett was a founding partner of Toronto TV station CFTO, anchor of Canada&#8217;s first commercial network, CTV (now part of CTV Globemedia).<br />
In a way, this little bit of news history illustrates the same pattern&#8230; the tension between the colorful characters and the suits, the inventors and the consolidators.</p>
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		<title>By: James Barrass</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Barrass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creighton&#039;s worked at the legendary Toronto Telegram (&quot;the Tely&quot;), which folded in 1971. The Tely was home to a generation of old-style newspapermen, many of whom made the migration, with Creighton, to the tabloid Sun. The Telegram had been owned by John Bassett, a local media mogul whose family shifted their interest to television. Bassett was a founding partner of Toronto TV station CFTO, anchor of Canada&#039;s first commercial network, CTV (now part of CTV Globemedia).
In a way, this little bit of news history illustrates the same pattern... the tension between the colorful characters and the suits, the inventors and the consolidators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creighton&#8217;s worked at the legendary Toronto Telegram (&#8220;the Tely&#8221;), which folded in 1971. The Tely was home to a generation of old-style newspapermen, many of whom made the migration, with Creighton, to the tabloid Sun. The Telegram had been owned by John Bassett, a local media mogul whose family shifted their interest to television. Bassett was a founding partner of Toronto TV station CFTO, anchor of Canada&#8217;s first commercial network, CTV (now part of CTV Globemedia).<br />
In a way, this little bit of news history illustrates the same pattern&#8230; the tension between the colorful characters and the suits, the inventors and the consolidators.</p>
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		<title>By: GoEverywhere Team</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoEverywhere Team</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are far too many people who have been stopped short of doing great things that they were inspired to do because of the &quot;established conventions&quot;.

Anybody who can stare the stodgy, entrenched entities in the face and believe in their path enough to continue moving forward earns serious points in my book.

We do need a few more of them around to shake things up from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are far too many people who have been stopped short of doing great things that they were inspired to do because of the &#8220;established conventions&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anybody who can stare the stodgy, entrenched entities in the face and believe in their path enough to continue moving forward earns serious points in my book.</p>
<p>We do need a few more of them around to shake things up from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Kreindler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Kreindler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool, Jeff. I&#039;ve noticed since City was bought out, the quality of their news has nose-dived and they have lost much of their original magic. The new headquarters will be in Yonge and Dundas Square, a low-rent version of Times Square, rather than the once-hip but still popular Queen West area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool, Jeff. I&#8217;ve noticed since City was bought out, the quality of their news has nose-dived and they have lost much of their original magic. The new headquarters will be in Yonge and Dundas Square, a low-rent version of Times Square, rather than the once-hip but still popular Queen West area.</p>
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