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	<title>Comments on: Talk about an unsustainable model: print</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392593</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, you got me (though you reference 2008). Fox just finished it&#039;s best quarter ever. Maybe all those folks who just elected Obama are tuning in to hear what the losing side has to say about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, you got me (though you reference 2008). Fox just finished it&#8217;s best quarter ever. Maybe all those folks who just elected Obama are tuning in to hear what the losing side has to say about that?</p>
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		<title>By: samsonmedia.net</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392574</link>
		<dc:creator>samsonmedia.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niche magazines and print pubs will survive because they still reach enthusiastic fan bases and are portable (try taking your laptop to the beach).  But those that don&#039;t embrace opt-in marketing methods as part of their marketing mix are doomed to go the way of the dinosaurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niche magazines and print pubs will survive because they still reach enthusiastic fan bases and are portable (try taking your laptop to the beach).  But those that don&#8217;t embrace opt-in marketing methods as part of their marketing mix are doomed to go the way of the dinosaurs.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392570</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Print is simply no longer sustainable.

I think it&#039;s more like general interest print is no longer sustainable.

I&#039;ve got a cash positive, niche magazine in print (www.feedfront.com).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Print is simply no longer sustainable.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more like general interest print is no longer sustainable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a cash positive, niche magazine in print (www.feedfront.com).</p>
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		<title>By: Easycure</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392560</link>
		<dc:creator>Easycure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait. Did you say that print media is no longer sustainable?

Not true!

Our local paper &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nuggetnews.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(the Nugget)&lt;/a&gt; is doing just fine, thanks. Oh wait, did I tell you that it&#039;s free? And available in print and online?

(Cue up the government bailouts for large market print media, it&#039;s going to happen. Guaranteed. 100% or your money back.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait. Did you say that print media is no longer sustainable?</p>
<p>Not true!</p>
<p>Our local paper <a href="http://www.nuggetnews.com/" rel="nofollow">(the Nugget)</a> is doing just fine, thanks. Oh wait, did I tell you that it&#8217;s free? And available in print and online?</p>
<p>(Cue up the government bailouts for large market print media, it&#8217;s going to happen. Guaranteed. 100% or your money back.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis D</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392543</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama spent $1 Million Dollars on Styrofoam Greek Columns and $160 Million on a lavish over the top coronation.  Yet the LIBERAL Media still bashes Sarah Palin over 150K in clothing.  We just discovered the NY Times squashed a negative Obama-Acorn story cause they thought it was an election buster. Anyone who doesn&#039;t recognize liberal bias in media is extremely dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama spent $1 Million Dollars on Styrofoam Greek Columns and $160 Million on a lavish over the top coronation.  Yet the LIBERAL Media still bashes Sarah Palin over 150K in clothing.  We just discovered the NY Times squashed a negative Obama-Acorn story cause they thought it was an election buster. Anyone who doesn&#8217;t recognize liberal bias in media is extremely dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis D</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392542</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul
Sorry to correct you but CNN is losing viewers faster than anyone. Latest ratings have Andersen Cooper behind everyone. 

CABLE NEWS RACE
NIGHT OF MARCH 13, 2008
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O&#039;REILLY 2,979,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 2,280,000
FNC GRETA 1,896,000 
CNN KING 1,640,000
FNC HUME 1,530,000
CNN COOPER 1,417,000
FNC SHEP 1,392,000
CNN DOBBS 1,057,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,001,000
CNNHN GRACE 605,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 507,000

CNN is poised to finish March third in the prime-time weeknight ratings behind Fox News Channel and MSNBC, the first time this has ever happened for the channel that pioneered the cable news genre nearly three decades ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul<br />
Sorry to correct you but CNN is losing viewers faster than anyone. Latest ratings have Andersen Cooper behind everyone. </p>
<p>CABLE NEWS RACE<br />
NIGHT OF MARCH 13, 2008<br />
VIEWERS</p>
<p>FOXNEWS O&#8217;REILLY 2,979,000<br />
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 2,280,000<br />
FNC GRETA 1,896,000<br />
CNN KING 1,640,000<br />
FNC HUME 1,530,000<br />
CNN COOPER 1,417,000<br />
FNC SHEP 1,392,000<br />
CNN DOBBS 1,057,000<br />
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,001,000<br />
CNNHN GRACE 605,000<br />
MSNBC HARDBALL 507,000</p>
<p>CNN is poised to finish March third in the prime-time weeknight ratings behind Fox News Channel and MSNBC, the first time this has ever happened for the channel that pioneered the cable news genre nearly three decades ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 02:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing with the supposed liberal bias bringing down news organizations. While Fox News is gaining viewers, so is MSNBC and CNN according to Nielsen numbers. CNN in most respects remains the TV cable news leader according to the ratings service.

On the newspaper side, even though The Wall Street Journal has maintained stable circulation, Ruper Murdoch recently wrote down 40 percent of his $5.5 billion purchase price for the national newspaper. According to an earnings report in February, advertising at the conservative bastion is expected to be off at least 20 percent for the year. Things apparently aren&#039;t rosy just for those on red end of the spectrum.

I&#039;m not sure how those numbers translate to a clear repudiation of &quot;liberal media&quot; or their supposed bias. But I don&#039;t think Mr. Evil Pundit is big on facts, just personal opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing with the supposed liberal bias bringing down news organizations. While Fox News is gaining viewers, so is MSNBC and CNN according to Nielsen numbers. CNN in most respects remains the TV cable news leader according to the ratings service.</p>
<p>On the newspaper side, even though The Wall Street Journal has maintained stable circulation, Ruper Murdoch recently wrote down 40 percent of his $5.5 billion purchase price for the national newspaper. According to an earnings report in February, advertising at the conservative bastion is expected to be off at least 20 percent for the year. Things apparently aren&#8217;t rosy just for those on red end of the spectrum.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how those numbers translate to a clear repudiation of &#8220;liberal media&#8221; or their supposed bias. But I don&#8217;t think Mr. Evil Pundit is big on facts, just personal opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: invitedmedia</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392536</link>
		<dc:creator>invitedmedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;audience fragmentation&quot;... &quot;a world of limited choice&quot;.

here&#039;s a decent example-- 17,000,000 served in march in a town of &lt;100k (click my id above)

surely they&#039;re not all fargoans... or even americans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;audience fragmentation&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;a world of limited choice&#8221;.</p>
<p>here&#8217;s a decent example&#8211; 17,000,000 served in march in a town of &lt;100k (click my id above)</p>
<p>surely they&#8217;re not all fargoans&#8230; or even americans</p>
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		<title>By: tgdavidson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392535</link>
		<dc:creator>tgdavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pundit:

Please stop pedaling that &quot;bias&quot; trope.

It&#039;s audience fragmentation. It&#039;s endless choice causing people to abandon mainline print paper. Candidly, it&#039;s a world in which people can choose news from a range as wide as Fox News to MSNBC to, hell, the Onion.

The left blames the Times for the Iraq war because of &quot;biased&quot; coverage. The right blames the Times for the Obama presidency because of &quot;biased&quot; coverage. Probably means they&#039;re calibrated about right - but that calibration was made for a world of limited choice - a world that no longer exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pundit:</p>
<p>Please stop pedaling that &#8220;bias&#8221; trope.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s audience fragmentation. It&#8217;s endless choice causing people to abandon mainline print paper. Candidly, it&#8217;s a world in which people can choose news from a range as wide as Fox News to MSNBC to, hell, the Onion.</p>
<p>The left blames the Times for the Iraq war because of &#8220;biased&#8221; coverage. The right blames the Times for the Obama presidency because of &#8220;biased&#8221; coverage. Probably means they&#8217;re calibrated about right &#8211; but that calibration was made for a world of limited choice &#8211; a world that no longer exists.</p>
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		<title>By: robertdfeinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertdfeinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was being facetious, I think the Times Talks and the like are lame.

We still don&#039;t &quot;get it&quot;. Interactive media mean not schlepping to meetings and listening to dry talks. Perhaps the schmoozing at Davos is worth something, but then, perhaps there needs to be a new mechanism devised which makes use of modern technology.

If the only time a big wig can be exposed to new people is at a meeting then something fundamental is wrong. It isn&#039;t only the president that lives in a bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was being facetious, I think the Times Talks and the like are lame.</p>
<p>We still don&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221;. Interactive media mean not schlepping to meetings and listening to dry talks. Perhaps the schmoozing at Davos is worth something, but then, perhaps there needs to be a new mechanism devised which makes use of modern technology.</p>
<p>If the only time a big wig can be exposed to new people is at a meeting then something fundamental is wrong. It isn&#8217;t only the president that lives in a bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392531</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the decline in quality of news, and the increase in political bias, readers have been abandoning the NYT and other papers. When readers don&#039;t see the ads, the ads don&#039;t produce results -- and eventually the advertisers catch on.

Going online won&#039;t save papers when their journalism is worthless. Why would anyone want to read them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the decline in quality of news, and the increase in political bias, readers have been abandoning the NYT and other papers. When readers don&#8217;t see the ads, the ads don&#8217;t produce results &#8212; and eventually the advertisers catch on.</p>
<p>Going online won&#8217;t save papers when their journalism is worthless. Why would anyone want to read them?</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392530</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the cliché says, &quot;Journalists write on the back of ads.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the cliché says, &#8220;Journalists write on the back of ads.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The weekend jumps the shark &#124; And Still I Persist</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392527</link>
		<dc:creator>The weekend jumps the shark &#124; And Still I Persist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The ongoing death of print media &#8212; Jeff Jarvis reports on the ads (or lack thereof) in this morning&#8217;s New York Times: First section: In the entire national/international section, nine one-ninth-page ads roughly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The ongoing death of print media &#8212; Jeff Jarvis reports on the ads (or lack thereof) in this morning&#8217;s New York Times: First section: In the entire national/international section, nine one-ninth-page ads roughly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/04/talk-about-an-unsustainable-model-print/#comment-392526</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s some money there and the Times is getting it with its new auditorium but news ain&#039;t rock &#039;n&#039; roll and that won&#039;t scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some money there and the Times is getting it with its new auditorium but news ain&#8217;t rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll and that won&#8217;t scale.</p>
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		<title>By: robertdfeinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertdfeinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if newspapers should be looking at the music model. Many bands consider the sales of the songs (CD&#039;s or online) as a form of advertising and get the bulk of their revenue from their road trips.

I see the Times has been sponsoring a series of talks, perhaps they should be looking to more live events. Look at all the money Larry Summers has been pulling down telling business leaders what they want to hear.

Could Floyd Norris or Gretchen Morgenson be turned into profit centers for the Times by appearing at corporate functions or having the Times run such things itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if newspapers should be looking at the music model. Many bands consider the sales of the songs (CD&#8217;s or online) as a form of advertising and get the bulk of their revenue from their road trips.</p>
<p>I see the Times has been sponsoring a series of talks, perhaps they should be looking to more live events. Look at all the money Larry Summers has been pulling down telling business leaders what they want to hear.</p>
<p>Could Floyd Norris or Gretchen Morgenson be turned into profit centers for the Times by appearing at corporate functions or having the Times run such things itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing is, at least for the last few years print ads have had incredibly small returns for the price.  Ad money has never been under tighter scrutiny than now, and in discussions with colleagues and other business owners I&#039;ve heard the same thing over and over; newspaper ads have not brought in business for quite some time. 

My greatest ad returns have surpringly been my vehicles (emblazened, of course) and local business meetups.  Both of which are orders of magnitude cheaper.  It&#039;s hard to believe they&#039;ve sustained themselves thus far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing is, at least for the last few years print ads have had incredibly small returns for the price.  Ad money has never been under tighter scrutiny than now, and in discussions with colleagues and other business owners I&#8217;ve heard the same thing over and over; newspaper ads have not brought in business for quite some time. </p>
<p>My greatest ad returns have surpringly been my vehicles (emblazened, of course) and local business meetups.  Both of which are orders of magnitude cheaper.  It&#8217;s hard to believe they&#8217;ve sustained themselves thus far.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Windsor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Windsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, it&#039;s Saturday. Saturday (and Monday and Tuesday and, in some markets, Thursday) are losers that get carried by the big ad days of Wednesday, Friday and, the whopper, Sunday. 

None of those four daily papers could make it on their own as a standalone business. But with Sunday itself shrinking, the numbers on those loss-leader days are becoming increasingly troublesome, leading more papers to consider reducing print frequency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, it&#8217;s Saturday. Saturday (and Monday and Tuesday and, in some markets, Thursday) are losers that get carried by the big ad days of Wednesday, Friday and, the whopper, Sunday. </p>
<p>None of those four daily papers could make it on their own as a standalone business. But with Sunday itself shrinking, the numbers on those loss-leader days are becoming increasingly troublesome, leading more papers to consider reducing print frequency.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaspar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaspar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Around mid march I did the same calculation with a major Italian economic paper, comparing the latest issue with one of nov 2006 and found ads surface shrinked to 44% of old issue, and pages to 56%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around mid march I did the same calculation with a major Italian economic paper, comparing the latest issue with one of nov 2006 and found ads surface shrinked to 44% of old issue, and pages to 56%.</p>
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