Comments on: Journalists: Where do you add value?

By: Advertising can't be the only option and other musings from BarCamp NewsInnovation « Christopher Wink

Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:46:01 +0000

[...] It seemed to be a personification of online communities and conversations I’ve been following only online — like the value of personal branding, which was the focus of the first hour-long session I attended, how valuable journalism school really is (why it might not be) and why news organizations and journalists need to add value. [...]

By: 5 viktiga trender att tänka på i nätstrategiarbetet — Per-Åke Olsson

5 viktiga trender att tänka på i nätstrategiarbetet — Per-Åke Olsson — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:06:25 +0000

[...] mediebolagen gäller det att fokusera på de områden där man kan tillföra värde. Allt som någon annan kan göra lika bra eller bättre till en lägre kostnad bör man fundera på [...]

By: Journal: Twitter Aggregation Way Cool « Public Intelligence Blog

Journal: Twitter Aggregation Way Cool « Public Intelligence Blog — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:27:59 +0000

[...] “The Internet” is, in its way, a one-stop news shop; and through, in particular, the deceptively simple innovation that is the hyperlink, news outlets are increasingly defined by connection rather than separation. (Thus, the “Web.”) And that, in turn—fundamentally, if not completely—topples the competitive underpinnings of newsgathering as a profession. Do what you do best, and link to the rest. [...]

By: Rebooting The News #28 « Rebooting The News

Rebooting The News #28 « Rebooting The News — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:56:50 +0000

[...] Jeff Jarvis really captured the change with: “Do what you do best and link to the [...]

By: saving the news. « jennifer whitcomb.

saving the news. « jennifer whitcomb. — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:19:43 +0000

[...] though, it is important to take note: journalism cannot exist within our society if it holds no value. I don’t think many would argue with the importance of journalism. Journalists are watchdogs [...]

By: Mark Baratelli

Mark Baratelli — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:48:54 +0000

Five months later, D Brooks, you have to eat your words: I got my first paid advertiser. Marriott Hotels!

By: Search engine optimizing

Search engine optimizing — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:43:11 +0000

[...] The Link Economy is Ruthless Jeff Jarvis explained why our current media machinery does not fit the web: [...]

By: Blog de Carlos » Internet, periodistas, fuentes y malos hábitos

Blog de Carlos » Internet, periodistas, fuentes y malos hábitos — Thu, 28 May 2009 16:23:01 +0000

[...] mucho del artículo Journalists: Where do you add value? escrito por el periodista Jeff Jarvis, que reflexiona sobre el valor añadido que los periodistas [...]

By: The Link Economy is Ruthless « Site Seo Doctor Blog

The Link Economy is Ruthless « Site Seo Doctor Blog — Sun, 24 May 2009 21:40:00 +0000

[...] Jarvis explained why our current media machinery does not fit the web: Every minute of a journalist’s time will need to go to adding unique value to the news [...]

By: The Link Economy is Ruthless « Site Seo Doctor

The Link Economy is Ruthless « Site Seo Doctor — Sun, 24 May 2009 19:33:12 +0000

[...] Jarvis explained why our current media machinery does not fit the web: Every minute of a journalist’s time will need to go to adding unique value to the news [...]

By: eCommerce Share » The Link Economy is Ruthless

eCommerce Share » The Link Economy is Ruthless — Fri, 22 May 2009 03:02:57 +0000

[...] Jarvis explained why our current media machinery does not fit the web: Every minute of a journalist’s time will need to go to adding unique value to the news [...]

By: Yes indeed: why our users deserve better | News Startup

Yes indeed: why our users deserve better | News Startup — Thu, 21 May 2009 06:38:59 +0000

[...] It’s also not about what we think might be valuable to our users. Rather, what do they actually care about? How can we fulfill their needs and desires? How can we add value? [...]

By: The journalism bubble « BuzzMachine

The journalism bubble « BuzzMachine — Thu, 21 May 2009 02:54:00 +0000

[...] to head her new investigative unit. Arianna has said for sometime that she’s hiring reporters because their stories get more traffic. Denton told Ad Age: People — particularly if they’re [...]

By: Internet, periodistas, fuentes y malos hábitos

Internet, periodistas, fuentes y malos hábitos — Wed, 13 May 2009 09:10:38 +0000

[...] mucho del artículo Journalists: Where do you add value? escrito por el periodista Jeff Jarvis, que reflexiona sobre el valor añadido que los periodistas [...]

By: Consumer Reports + National Enquirer + ? = the future of free societies | Text Technologies

Fri, 08 May 2009 07:40:55 +0000

[...] companies do their own curation for the benefit of their own audiences. Jeff Jarvis seems to be pushing the curation idea [...]

By: Andy Freeman

Andy Freeman — Tue, 05 May 2009 13:18:59 +0000

> He then segues into an indictment of all the hard-working, dedicated journalists who got into those professions leading with their ideals rather than financial motives. Those people, who constitute the majority, have always focused on value, the value being their contribution to the betterment of society.

That’s nice, but society doesn’t much value their “ideals”.

Actually, it’s not “nice”, it’s wrong in the sense that Jarvis didn’t “seque into an indictment”. He pointed out that they’re not going to make any money. If, as Hogan says, they’re not in it for the money, that shouldn’t be a problem….

> Tighter newsrooms have already sacrificed much of this “time-wasting” journalism that time and again changed the world for the better.

“time and again” suggests that such activities are far more common than they actually are. In reality, they’re quite rare. (Not to mention that they often turn out to be overrated, Watergate anyone?) I happen to agree that they’re valuable, but since newsrooms don’t do much do them, they’re no reason to keep newsrooms alive.

good, unique, valuable to the reader is what pays. Does Hogan really believe that folks should pay for something else? Is he going to argue that the reader doesn’t know what’s valuable? Does he think that me-toos “should” be paid more?

By: Andy Freeman

Andy Freeman — Sun, 03 May 2009 23:59:49 +0000

> Another huge drag on journalists’ time and energies is the public relations industry.

Huh? The PR industry is not a drag on journalists’ time and energy. Many journalists treat the PR industry as sources and unattributed co-authors, saving them time and energy.

By: Stan Hogan

Stan Hogan — Fri, 01 May 2009 19:16:13 +0000

As usual, Jarvis employs a tired variant of his same-same provocation through bloviation. Framing his latest flame around the intermingling of journalism/journalists with some typically must-be-visual TV report is especially irritating.

He then segues into an indictment of all the hard-working, dedicated journalists who got into those professions leading with their ideals rather than financial motives. Those people, who constitute the majority, have always focused on value, the value being their contribution to the betterment of society.

Sometimes that value comes in the form of investigative pieces that take weeks or months to compile while their daily contribution to the cause is nil. Tighter newsrooms have already sacrificed much of this “time-wasting” journalism that time and again changed the world for the better.

Yes, more hard-core local news is a winning formula, for print. The national and world report have been prostituted to the must-feed-me Web.

I think what he’s really getting at, and what he’s always getting at, is adapting journalism to a Web or instant news culture. Well, if he goes there, the value formula is blown up. Value of Web news products is minimal, in a bottom-line way. Nobody has figured out how to make top-notch Web journalism pay the bills. Scavenging legitimate news Web sites has proven lucrative for some but they’re killing their master in the process.

Yes, more with less, Jarvis. You should be a corporate cheerleader. Oops, I forgot you already are.

In summary: Jarvis has nothing. Again.

By: Do Journalists Add Value? : J’s Notes

Do Journalists Add Value? : J’s Notes — Fri, 01 May 2009 15:08:37 +0000

[...] Jeff Jarvis challenges Journalists to ask themselves a tough question: Journalism can’t afford repetition and production anymore. [...]

By: Rob Levine

Rob Levine — Fri, 01 May 2009 12:52:14 +0000

>>>Interesting post. But I’m confused about PaidContent. I just took a look at their site and can’t see one bit of original reporting on it. Instead, I see “according to VentureBeat,” “according to anonymous sources cited by News.com,” and “Kara Swisher is reporting.” The only direct attribution on the main page right now comes from something a CEO said during an earnings call. Not sure I get how this is different from what you say CNN does.

Paidcontent is owned by the Guardian, that’s why it’s different. Follow the money, to quote the old media, follow the money.

By: Collide-a-scape » Blog Archive » Collide-a-scape >> The Ruthless Link Economy

Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:38:51 +0000

[...] haven’t been able to shake this days-old post by Jeff Jarvis, journalism provocateur, bar none. I suspect he’s right about the only metric [...]

By: The Link Economy is Ruthless | Search Engine Optimization Professionals ( SEO )

Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:52:44 +0000

[...] LINK ECONOMY IS RUTHLESS Jeff Jarvis explained why our underway media machinery does not sound the web: Every instance of a journalist’s instance module requirement to go to adding unequalled [...]

By: Joanna

Joanna — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:58:00 +0000

I agree w/you that as journalists/reporters/bloggers/citizen journalists–whatever we are — the question is what are we contributing?
Other than making loud statements or judgments and trying to pass them off as journalism (whether traditional or new media), do you have anything to say that isn’t regurgatated or recycled spin?!?! And a comment to the no journalists left response, there are plenty of hardworking newspaper reporters that have had the training, mentoring, education — and most of all dedication to stay committed to their craft yet receive no spotlight like those on CNN or FOX. There has always been a big difference between print and broadcast and I wonder what will unfold with the Web now… socialbutterflymedia.me

By: anthillz » Blog Archive » links for 2009-04-28

anthillz » Blog Archive » links for 2009-04-28 — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:12:12 +0000

[...] Journalists: Where do you add value? — BuzzMachine (tags: journalism media) [...]

By: Für welches Medium würdest DU zahlen, damit es nicht stirbt? | Open Source PR

Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:33:52 +0000

[...] Ich bin sehr skeptisch, dass Paid Content, selbst wenn er hervorragend von Experten kuratiert ist, sich jenseits von sehr speziellen Nischen durchsetzen wird. Da bin ich eher bei Jeff Jarvis’ Thesen in seinem sehr lesenwerten Buch “What Would Google Do?” (Amazon Partner-Link). Er sagt klipp und klar, dass der Medien(massen)markt der Zukunft werbefinanziert sein wird. Das Trägermedium ist dabei gleichgültig bis hinderlich, denn “atoms are a drag”, Atome sind eine Last. Umso wichtiger wird es aber auch für ihn, dass Journalisten einen Wertbeitrag leisten (dazu ein aktueller Post von ihm). [...]