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		<title>By: Halva tidningskoncernen försvann &#8211; vad händer nu? &#171; Newsdesk PR 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-396034</link>
		<dc:creator>Halva tidningskoncernen försvann &#8211; vad händer nu? &#171; Newsdesk PR 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bör söka sig till Jeff Jarvis blogg &#8220;BuzzMachine&#8221; och där läsa bl a &#8220;Getting past newspapers’ past&#8220;. Andra bloggar om: skånskan, skånska dagbladet, skånskankoncernen, varsel, thomas grahl, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bör söka sig till Jeff Jarvis blogg &#8220;BuzzMachine&#8221; och där läsa bl a &#8220;Getting past newspapers’ past&#8220;. Andra bloggar om: skånskan, skånska dagbladet, skånskankoncernen, varsel, thomas grahl, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Take 2 on newspaper executives&#8217; secret meeting &#171; Transforming the Gaz</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-395587</link>
		<dc:creator>Take 2 on newspaper executives&#8217; secret meeting &#171; Transforming the Gaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 20:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] concern is that the &#8221;solutions&#8221; of Dean Singleton and Walter Hussman and the misguided notion that removing pay walls was an &#8220;original [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cool stuff - May 18, 2009 &#8212; Danny Whatmough.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool stuff - May 18, 2009 &#8212; Danny Whatmough.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paid is the new &#8216;Free&#8217;? Take The Poll &#171; Attentionization</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394640</link>
		<dc:creator>Paid is the new &#8216;Free&#8217;? Take The Poll &#171; Attentionization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Magazines in the crosshairs, losing money hand over fist as they follow the pied pipers of give it away free and you&#8217;ll make it up in volume, the volume on this debate is rising:  Should users pay for access to newspaper and magazine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Magazines in the crosshairs, losing money hand over fist as they follow the pied pipers of give it away free and you&#8217;ll make it up in volume, the volume on this debate is rising:  Should users pay for access to newspaper and magazine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Links #37: The End is Near Edition &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394466</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool Links #37: The End is Near Edition &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 23:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; The Buzz Machine has a post that more than suggests it is time for newspapers to drop the paper.  News must FIND the consumer, not the other way around.  That&#8217;s how news works in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Bazeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bazeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, free is a misnomer. News web sites are no more &quot;free&quot; than commercial local news stations or the &quot;free&#039;&#039; weekly paper I pick up. They are already subsidized and monetizing their readers by advertising. So this idea that news orgs are &quot;giving&#039;&#039; away their content is false. The business model may not be working in some cases. But there is an advertising business model, and it does work for many content sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, free is a misnomer. News web sites are no more &#8220;free&#8221; than commercial local news stations or the &#8220;free&#8221; weekly paper I pick up. They are already subsidized and monetizing their readers by advertising. So this idea that news orgs are &#8220;giving&#8221; away their content is false. The business model may not be working in some cases. But there is an advertising business model, and it does work for many content sites.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394414</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TimesSelect had 227,000 paying subscribers when the plug was pulled. Look it up. I&#039;d hardly call that a failure, especially when that was just to access only a few columnists.
People like Jeff Jarvis are worried about their irrelevance again, not that he&#039;s all that relevant much now, when newspapers figure out how to make money online. 
And like I said before, those of you who just want to read twits and blogs and opinions all day instead of well-reported, fact-checked stories written by real journalists, have at it.
Your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TimesSelect had 227,000 paying subscribers when the plug was pulled. Look it up. I&#8217;d hardly call that a failure, especially when that was just to access only a few columnists.<br />
People like Jeff Jarvis are worried about their irrelevance again, not that he&#8217;s all that relevant much now, when newspapers figure out how to make money online.<br />
And like I said before, those of you who just want to read twits and blogs and opinions all day instead of well-reported, fact-checked stories written by real journalists, have at it.<br />
Your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tammy,
Your site is a survivor.  Everything on the site is pertinent to my life, if I lived in your coverage area.  You understand what the big boys don&#039;t--congrats on getting it.
Francis Rose
Federal News Radio
Washington DC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tammy,<br />
Your site is a survivor.  Everything on the site is pertinent to my life, if I lived in your coverage area.  You understand what the big boys don&#8217;t&#8211;congrats on getting it.<br />
Francis Rose<br />
Federal News Radio<br />
Washington DC</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394387</link>
		<dc:creator>Soccer Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow news providers (I won&#039;t call them newspapers) need to make money.  By the way, I&#039;m a community-based blogger, and I sure rely on content provided by local newsnewspapers for my own posts. I also still subscribe to hard copies of two newspapers.  For my online reading purposes, I want the freedom to be able to pop around between different news sites, and pick a story here or there to read.  If there was a way to sign up for a general registry, where I&#039;d give over my credit card information (in a safe way), and where I&#039;d get charged 10 cents to read a story, I could go for that.  I might wind up paying more per day than I do now.  But to have to sign up for each and every newspaper that has content I might want to read would be very annoying. I think it would drive customers away. It would be cumbersome. To have to come up with a user name and password for each publication.  Since I also use newspaper and magazine websites for research, I probably browse through dozens of publications per day.  Aggregators like Huffington Posts or social media sites like Twitter also increase people&#039;s expectations of gaining access to content on a multitude of sites quickly and easily.  

I do believe that readers more than ever read news content produced by professional journalists. They want professionally produced content.  

But, as one media observer wrote, it&#039;s less about the publication these days and more about the individual content .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow news providers (I won&#8217;t call them newspapers) need to make money.  By the way, I&#8217;m a community-based blogger, and I sure rely on content provided by local newsnewspapers for my own posts. I also still subscribe to hard copies of two newspapers.  For my online reading purposes, I want the freedom to be able to pop around between different news sites, and pick a story here or there to read.  If there was a way to sign up for a general registry, where I&#8217;d give over my credit card information (in a safe way), and where I&#8217;d get charged 10 cents to read a story, I could go for that.  I might wind up paying more per day than I do now.  But to have to sign up for each and every newspaper that has content I might want to read would be very annoying. I think it would drive customers away. It would be cumbersome. To have to come up with a user name and password for each publication.  Since I also use newspaper and magazine websites for research, I probably browse through dozens of publications per day.  Aggregators like Huffington Posts or social media sites like Twitter also increase people&#8217;s expectations of gaining access to content on a multitude of sites quickly and easily.  </p>
<p>I do believe that readers more than ever read news content produced by professional journalists. They want professionally produced content.  </p>
<p>But, as one media observer wrote, it&#8217;s less about the publication these days and more about the individual content .</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One could read it for free. I discuss this in the book and on this blog and in every appearance and confess to my hypocrisy. I took the advance. I&#039;d love to dangle a check that size under your nose and see you not take it. No, on second thought, I think I&#039;ll just keep it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could read it for free. I discuss this in the book and on this blog and in every appearance and confess to my hypocrisy. I took the advance. I&#8217;d love to dangle a check that size under your nose and see you not take it. No, on second thought, I think I&#8217;ll just keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: SocraticGadfly</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394377</link>
		<dc:creator>SocraticGadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To refute some of Jarvis’ nonsense:

The “50 of 300” that produce content in the newsroom only includes writers, but not copy editors, proofreaders, fact checkers, among others. So, if you want drivel, or perhaps libel, fine, get rid of all the other 250. Blogs don’t get sued not so much because blogging is considered opinion but because most of them aren’t financially worth suing.

Google sells making money, not “performance,” just like any other big biz. 

Per the “Dell sucks” line from Jeff Jarvis’ “What Would Google Do” ass-kissing of Page and Brin, “&lt;a href=&quot;http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/05/jeff-jarvis-sucks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Jarvis sucks&lt;/a&gt;.”

“Think like capitalists”? God, if this isn’t stupid. Since, until a decade ago, newspapers had the highest profit margin of about any business in the country, they’ve long been thinking like capitalists. Sure, they need to think like capitalists &lt;i&gt;in new ways,&lt;/i&gt; but that’s entirely different.

As for thinking like capitalists, if Jarvis weren’t:
A.	A university prof;
B.	Probably paid for his jet-setting to Davos, etc.;
C.	Possibly paid for “What Would Google Do”; he wouldn’t be writing this blog.

What effing bullshit.

Newspapers can’t be about control? That’s why you’ve had alt-weeklies, minority/ethnic weeklies, etc. for decades. The seven-day daily, outside official chattering classes (of whom Jarvis is simply part of the online equivalent) have long not been about control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To refute some of Jarvis’ nonsense:</p>
<p>The “50 of 300” that produce content in the newsroom only includes writers, but not copy editors, proofreaders, fact checkers, among others. So, if you want drivel, or perhaps libel, fine, get rid of all the other 250. Blogs don’t get sued not so much because blogging is considered opinion but because most of them aren’t financially worth suing.</p>
<p>Google sells making money, not “performance,” just like any other big biz. </p>
<p>Per the “Dell sucks” line from Jeff Jarvis’ “What Would Google Do” ass-kissing of Page and Brin, “<a href="http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/05/jeff-jarvis-sucks.html" rel="nofollow">Jeff Jarvis sucks</a>.”</p>
<p>“Think like capitalists”? God, if this isn’t stupid. Since, until a decade ago, newspapers had the highest profit margin of about any business in the country, they’ve long been thinking like capitalists. Sure, they need to think like capitalists <i>in new ways,</i> but that’s entirely different.</p>
<p>As for thinking like capitalists, if Jarvis weren’t:<br />
A.	A university prof;<br />
B.	Probably paid for his jet-setting to Davos, etc.;<br />
C.	Possibly paid for “What Would Google Do”; he wouldn’t be writing this blog.</p>
<p>What effing bullshit.</p>
<p>Newspapers can’t be about control? That’s why you’ve had alt-weeklies, minority/ethnic weeklies, etc. for decades. The seven-day daily, outside official chattering classes (of whom Jarvis is simply part of the online equivalent) have long not been about control.</p>
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		<title>By: Seriously</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394363</link>
		<dc:creator>Seriously</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: WWGD is NOT free online. 

Free means no legal restriction relative to people&#039;s freedom to use, redistribute and/or produce modified versions.

WWGD is NOT free online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: WWGD is NOT free online. </p>
<p>Free means no legal restriction relative to people&#8217;s freedom to use, redistribute and/or produce modified versions.</p>
<p>WWGD is NOT free online.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Betteridge</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394345</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Betteridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 13:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Charging online reduces the value of what is held behind a wall, away from audience, ads, and search discovery.&quot;

Search traffic is only valuable if you can monetize it. Unless the people who come to you from search click on your ads, contribute to increased CPM or buy something on your site, they&#039;re pointless, irrelevant, and actually just a drain on your resources.

So search discovery, as you put it, is a canard. It&#039;s not valuable to a publisher in and of itself. It may allow you to attract higher CPMs, or more click-through, but it&#039;s not a &quot;good&quot; on its own. Sometimes, Jeff, you talk like it is - and in that, you&#039;re wrong. 

The same is true of &quot;audience&quot; in general. If I have a million people come to my site and not one of them actually clicks on an ad, or they are the kind of traffic that draws very low CPMs, they&#039;re pointless. They&#039;ll cost me more than they make me, or, if they&#039;re profitable as a group at all, deliver much less revenue than I need to create good quality, differentiated content. 

So actually, there are two questions here. First, will people pay for content online? The answer to that is clearly &quot;yes&quot;, because some successful businesses have used that model. But I think that everyone agrees that model won&#039;t work for everyone. A lot of people are going to have to rely on ad revenue.

So, the second question is &quot;how do you get the kind of traffic to your site which maximises potential for ad revenue?&quot; And the answer to that may not be &quot;attract the biggest audience&quot;, but &quot;attract the highest-spending audience&quot; (which will raise your CPMs) or &quot;attact the audience most-likely to click on PPC ads&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Charging online reduces the value of what is held behind a wall, away from audience, ads, and search discovery.&#8221;</p>
<p>Search traffic is only valuable if you can monetize it. Unless the people who come to you from search click on your ads, contribute to increased CPM or buy something on your site, they&#8217;re pointless, irrelevant, and actually just a drain on your resources.</p>
<p>So search discovery, as you put it, is a canard. It&#8217;s not valuable to a publisher in and of itself. It may allow you to attract higher CPMs, or more click-through, but it&#8217;s not a &#8220;good&#8221; on its own. Sometimes, Jeff, you talk like it is &#8211; and in that, you&#8217;re wrong. </p>
<p>The same is true of &#8220;audience&#8221; in general. If I have a million people come to my site and not one of them actually clicks on an ad, or they are the kind of traffic that draws very low CPMs, they&#8217;re pointless. They&#8217;ll cost me more than they make me, or, if they&#8217;re profitable as a group at all, deliver much less revenue than I need to create good quality, differentiated content. </p>
<p>So actually, there are two questions here. First, will people pay for content online? The answer to that is clearly &#8220;yes&#8221;, because some successful businesses have used that model. But I think that everyone agrees that model won&#8217;t work for everyone. A lot of people are going to have to rely on ad revenue.</p>
<p>So, the second question is &#8220;how do you get the kind of traffic to your site which maximises potential for ad revenue?&#8221; And the answer to that may not be &#8220;attract the biggest audience&#8221;, but &#8220;attract the highest-spending audience&#8221; (which will raise your CPMs) or &#8220;attact the audience most-likely to click on PPC ads&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Betteridge</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394337</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Betteridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 13:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, much as it obviously riles you, getting people to pay for content remains an option. It won&#039;t be an option for every publisher, of course. Just as in the past you got free sheets, contract publishing, and various mixes of ad/per-copy revenue, so some publications will go paid-for, some will be entirely free, some will probably be sponsored by a single company, and so on.

There is no one true way forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, much as it obviously riles you, getting people to pay for content remains an option. It won&#8217;t be an option for every publisher, of course. Just as in the past you got free sheets, contract publishing, and various mixes of ad/per-copy revenue, so some publications will go paid-for, some will be entirely free, some will probably be sponsored by a single company, and so on.</p>
<p>There is no one true way forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Betteridge</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394336</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Betteridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 13:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: &quot;When newspapers are done telling their free readers to bugger off, there won’t be enough readers to matter.&quot;

What you seem to miss, though, is that &quot;free&quot; readers aren&#039;t free to the web site. Traffic which doesn&#039;t generate revenue is an expense, not an asset. 

Unless you monetize your readers, you might as well not have them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: &#8220;When newspapers are done telling their free readers to bugger off, there won’t be enough readers to matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>What you seem to miss, though, is that &#8220;free&#8221; readers aren&#8217;t free to the web site. Traffic which doesn&#8217;t generate revenue is an expense, not an asset. </p>
<p>Unless you monetize your readers, you might as well not have them.</p>
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		<title>By: Writing Hurts &#187; You only THINK you&#8217;re paying for content</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394334</link>
		<dc:creator>Writing Hurts &#187; You only THINK you&#8217;re paying for content</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a bad idea, one I made fun of and Jeff Jarvis did an intelligent take down of. I could keep making jokes at Singleton&#8217;s expense (and still might, actually), but I also [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a bad idea, one I made fun of and Jeff Jarvis did an intelligent take down of. I could keep making jokes at Singleton&#8217;s expense (and still might, actually), but I also [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394332</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 11:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s the ultimate expression of that argument: They &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; charge. Dunno know whether it&#039;s a business model, but they just &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt;. Damnit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s the ultimate expression of that argument: They <em>should</em> charge. Dunno know whether it&#8217;s a business model, but they just <em>should</em>. Damnit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394331</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 11:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like horses, too.</description>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394326</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 10:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“If the news is that important, it will find me.”

I find that a strangely depressing phrase. It sorts of emphasisis the passive.  A lot of people love reading, not waiting for something to read.</description>
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<p>I find that a strangely depressing phrase. It sorts of emphasisis the passive.  A lot of people love reading, not waiting for something to read.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394323</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate reading news online.  Much prefer the paper.  And a coffee.  Huge value. Hugely enjoyable. I find online reading stressful, and you have that slight sense of not quite being in control.

There is still a huge, huge demand for papers and they&#039;ll continue to sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate reading news online.  Much prefer the paper.  And a coffee.  Huge value. Hugely enjoyable. I find online reading stressful, and you have that slight sense of not quite being in control.</p>
<p>There is still a huge, huge demand for papers and they&#8217;ll continue to sell.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394321</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 09:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think newspapers should charge, for sure.  A great deal of media produced by journalists has huge, HUGE, value - and requires a lot of money, sweat, toil to produce it.  

Whether that will work as a business model, I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think newspapers should charge, for sure.  A great deal of media produced by journalists has huge, HUGE, value &#8211; and requires a lot of money, sweat, toil to produce it.  </p>
<p>Whether that will work as a business model, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherrie Mersdorf</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394292</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrie Mersdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - the problem with that thinking is, the people are still buying news papers are going to get old, they&#039;re going to die.  It sucks, but it&#039;s life.  Then what are you going to do?  I&#039;m certainly not going to start buying newspapers because I age a few decades.  Taking that attitude is just putting off the problem...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; the problem with that thinking is, the people are still buying news papers are going to get old, they&#8217;re going to die.  It sucks, but it&#8217;s life.  Then what are you going to do?  I&#8217;m certainly not going to start buying newspapers because I age a few decades.  Taking that attitude is just putting off the problem&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy Daniels</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394289</link>
		<dc:creator>Tammy Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Medianews refugee, all I can say is Singleton&#039;s ramblings rarely become reality. A few years ago, the watchword was &quot;video&quot; and &quot;synergy.&quot; More Web, we were told; blogging&#039;s the thing; videooo. What happened? A lot of nothing.  These directives filter down to the local newspaper groups, where they are touted as the new, new thing - and then slowly strangled in their sleep. 

Originality is neither encouraged nor tolerated at MediaNews; the cookie-cutter mentality reigns supreme. It&#039;s too busy trying to make everything look the same in its regional groups by sharing to save costs - ad sales, layout, reporters, photographers, Web sites - that it doesn&#039;t have the flexibility to respond to technological and social changes.

Last year (last year!!!) the local newspapers got the option to run updated news on their sites during the day (among the first articles posted - a funeral notice. How ironic, and ridiculous). Maybe its other groups are further ahead than that, maybe they even have better content that people might actually pay more for. I seriously doubt it. 

And as for forcing people to pay for news - go ahead and try it. But don&#039;t be surprised when they migrate to television, radio and news sites like mine that are free. We&#039;re betting on local, targeted advertising and classifieds, and building relationships with other media.  And we&#039;re doing it with a handful of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Medianews refugee, all I can say is Singleton&#8217;s ramblings rarely become reality. A few years ago, the watchword was &#8220;video&#8221; and &#8220;synergy.&#8221; More Web, we were told; blogging&#8217;s the thing; videooo. What happened? A lot of nothing.  These directives filter down to the local newspaper groups, where they are touted as the new, new thing &#8211; and then slowly strangled in their sleep. </p>
<p>Originality is neither encouraged nor tolerated at MediaNews; the cookie-cutter mentality reigns supreme. It&#8217;s too busy trying to make everything look the same in its regional groups by sharing to save costs &#8211; ad sales, layout, reporters, photographers, Web sites &#8211; that it doesn&#8217;t have the flexibility to respond to technological and social changes.</p>
<p>Last year (last year!!!) the local newspapers got the option to run updated news on their sites during the day (among the first articles posted &#8211; a funeral notice. How ironic, and ridiculous). Maybe its other groups are further ahead than that, maybe they even have better content that people might actually pay more for. I seriously doubt it. </p>
<p>And as for forcing people to pay for news &#8211; go ahead and try it. But don&#8217;t be surprised when they migrate to television, radio and news sites like mine that are free. We&#8217;re betting on local, targeted advertising and classifieds, and building relationships with other media.  And we&#8217;re doing it with a handful of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bazeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bazeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When newspapers are done telling their free readers to bugger off, there won&#039;t be enough readers to matter. Just because a newspaper declares their content as having X value doesn&#039;t mean consumers will agree. Consumers will always run to the best deal, and when a newspaper starts charging for content, someone else will step into the breach and offer the same, or better, content for free or significantly cheaper. As Jeff said, the free market sets the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When newspapers are done telling their free readers to bugger off, there won&#8217;t be enough readers to matter. Just because a newspaper declares their content as having X value doesn&#8217;t mean consumers will agree. Consumers will always run to the best deal, and when a newspaper starts charging for content, someone else will step into the breach and offer the same, or better, content for free or significantly cheaper. As Jeff said, the free market sets the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Charging for content online so people won&#8217;t read it &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/05/12/getting-past-the-past/#comment-394280</link>
		<dc:creator>Charging for content online so people won&#8217;t read it &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lots of chatter about MediaNews Group&#8217;s plan to charge for some content online. Details TK, but this is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lots of chatter about MediaNews Group&#8217;s plan to charge for some content online. Details TK, but this is [...]</p>
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