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]]> By: Raul http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-469253 Raul Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:37:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-469253 3 thgins I love about summer: my feet in the sand at the beach, flip flops, and playing with my girls in the water! 3 thgins I love about summer: my feet in the sand at the beach, flip flops, and playing with my girls in the water!

]]> By: Ankita http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-469146 Ankita Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:03:21 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-469146 Sounds good, but do you rlaely believe they are capping at 1,000? Sounds like a sales gimmick to me Sounds good, but do you rlaely believe they are capping at 1,000? Sounds like a sales gimmick to me

]]> By: Judge Posner: Ban Linking to save newspapers http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-452960 Judge Posner: Ban Linking to save newspapers Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:57:28 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-452960 [...] others like Jeff Jarvis and Stowe Boyd have already done a good job off ridiculing the thought that the banning of links is [...] [...] others like Jeff Jarvis and Stowe Boyd have already done a good job off ridiculing the thought that the banning of links is [...]

]]> By: The Future of Newspapers « blogs.independent.co.uk http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-415017 The Future of Newspapers « blogs.independent.co.uk Thu, 27 May 2010 18:58:30 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-415017 [...] have seeded the map with arguments raised by, among others, Clay Shirky, Richard Posner, Jeff Jarvis, Roy Greenslade, Howard Kurtz, and The Independent's own Gavin O’Reilly; however, as [...] [...] have seeded the map with arguments raised by, among others, Clay Shirky, Richard Posner, Jeff Jarvis, Roy Greenslade, Howard Kurtz, and The Independent's own Gavin O’Reilly; however, as [...]

]]> By: Should linking be illegal? « Brand Newz http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-400396 Should linking be illegal? « Brand Newz Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:18:48 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-400396 [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...] [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...]

]]> By: Denisjh http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-399876 Denisjh Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:42:53 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-399876 The posting oddly fails to dispute a word Posner says. If no one pays for content, no one will make content. If people pay a fortune for content, lots of people will make content. There is no infotopia in which the AP will continue to hand out its content and free riders will be able to make money off of it without paying AP. Until someone explains to me who will invest their time and money into creating content when distributors refuse (in a high-minded way, of course) to pay for it, I'm on Posner's side. Besides, he is waaaaaay smarter than the rest of us. The posting oddly fails to dispute a word Posner says.
If no one pays for content, no one will make content.
If people pay a fortune for content, lots of people will make content.
There is no infotopia in which the AP will continue to hand out its content and free riders will be able to make money off of it without paying AP.
Until someone explains to me who will invest their time and money into creating content when distributors refuse (in a high-minded way, of course) to pay for it, I’m on Posner’s side.
Besides, he is waaaaaay smarter than the rest of us.

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis: How (and why) to replace the AP » A Couple Things » A couple things about politics, sports, travel, and other stuff. http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-398463 Jeff Jarvis: How (and why) to replace the AP » A Couple Things » A couple things about politics, sports, travel, and other stuff. Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:13:19 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-398463 [...] has been much stupidity lately about how news should operate in the ecosystem in the internet - threats to try to extend copyright, the ominously named and ambiguously written Hamburg Declaration, the [...] [...] has been much stupidity lately about how news should operate in the ecosystem in the internet – threats to try to extend copyright, the ominously named and ambiguously written Hamburg Declaration, the [...]

]]> By: How (and why) to replace the AP « BuzzMachine http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-398453 How (and why) to replace the AP « BuzzMachine Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:11:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-398453 [...] been much stupidity lately about how news should operate in the ecosystem in the internet – threats to try to extend copyright, the ominously named and ambiguously written Hamburg Declaration, the [...] [...] been much stupidity lately about how news should operate in the ecosystem in the internet – threats to try to extend copyright, the ominously named and ambiguously written Hamburg Declaration, the [...]

]]> By: Free! to the South West « Paperhouse http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397712 Free! to the South West « Paperhouse Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:00:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397712 [...] from summarising and linking to its contents (a technique that’s recently been given a speculative legal outing in the States) is simply asinine, entirely missing the operation of the link economy online and [...] [...] from summarising and linking to its contents (a technique that’s recently been given a speculative legal outing in the States) is simply asinine, entirely missing the operation of the link economy online and [...]

]]> By: Should linking be illegal? « Therearenosunglasses’s Weblog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397551 Should linking be illegal? « Therearenosunglasses’s Weblog Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:00:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397551 [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...] [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...]

]]> By: This Week» Blog Archive » Should linking be illegal? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397542 This Week» Blog Archive » Should linking be illegal? Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:37:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397542 [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...] [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...]

]]> By: statism watch » Blog Archive » Should linking be illegal? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397516 statism watch » Blog Archive » Should linking be illegal? Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:42:15 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397516 [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...] [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...]

]]> By: Matt Wardman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397479 Matt Wardman Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:52:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397479 Torsten Following up on this one. I disagree in that the "eClipsWeb" licence applies to NLA members who circulate links to newspaper articles to their clients, and that is more than just the "aggregators" such as Moreover. My exact wording: "NLA managing director David Pugh today confirmed the introduction of the new licence extension governing weblinks. He told Press Gazette that the licence was intended to apply only to organisations circulating hyperlinks to newspaper articles commercially as part of a business model. There is no attempt to regulate use of hyperlinks where that is not as part of a chargeable service, such as by private individuals or as the results of queries by internet search engines such as Google News. He said licensing will also apply to recipients of paid media monitoring services, as is the case with existing NLA licences." Was emailed to the NLA PR people and verified. I read that as meaning that the "link licence" would also apply to existing customers who were sending links rather than digital cuttings to existing clients. Indeed, the NLA Press Release says that this is so: "From September 2009, web aggregators that charge clients for their services will require a NLA licence and be charged from January 2010, The press cuttings agencies that either ‘scrape’ content themselves or buy in services from aggregators will also be licensed and charged. Client companies that receive & forward links from these commercial aggregators within their organisation will also require a licence." Link: http://www.nla.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=7 Hope that helps answer your query. Rgds Torsten

Following up on this one. I disagree in that the “eClipsWeb” licence applies to NLA members who circulate links to newspaper articles to their clients, and that is more than just the “aggregators” such as Moreover. My exact wording:

“NLA managing director David Pugh today confirmed the introduction of the new licence extension governing weblinks.

He told Press Gazette that the licence was intended to apply only to organisations circulating hyperlinks to newspaper articles commercially as part of a business model.

There is no attempt to regulate use of hyperlinks where that is not as part of a chargeable service, such as by private individuals or as the results of queries by internet search engines such as Google News.

He said licensing will also apply to recipients of paid media monitoring services, as is the case with existing NLA licences.”

Was emailed to the NLA PR people and verified. I read that as meaning that the “link licence” would also apply to existing customers who were sending links rather than digital cuttings to existing clients.

Indeed, the NLA Press Release says that this is so:

“From September 2009, web aggregators that charge clients for their services will require a NLA licence and be charged from January 2010, The press cuttings agencies that either ‘scrape’ content themselves or buy in services from aggregators will also be licensed and charged. Client companies that receive & forward links from these commercial aggregators within their organisation will also require a licence.”

Link: http://www.nla.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=7

Hope that helps answer your query.

Rgds

]]> By: The Fight Over ‘Free’ - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397445 The Fight Over ‘Free’ - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:40:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397445 [...] “Good god,” responded the future-positive Internet enthusiast Jeff Jarvis. Posner’s thinking is incomplete in a few ways. First, he is ignorant of the imperatives of the link economy. The links and discussion he wants to outlaw is precisely how content is distributed and value is added to it in the new media economy. . . . [...] [...] “Good god,” responded the future-positive Internet enthusiast Jeff Jarvis. Posner’s thinking is incomplete in a few ways. First, he is ignorant of the imperatives of the link economy. The links and discussion he wants to outlaw is precisely how content is distributed and value is added to it in the new media economy. . . . [...]

]]> By: Wading Into the Posner/Hot News/Linking Brouhaha | Weight Watch http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397437 Wading Into the Posner/Hot News/Linking Brouhaha | Weight Watch Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:31:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397437 [...] TechDirt criticized the conclusion, as did Jeff Jarvis. [...] [...] TechDirt criticized the conclusion, as did Jeff Jarvis. [...]

]]> By: Photomaniacal » Blog Archive » Should linking be illegal? | Dan Kennedy http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397432 Photomaniacal » Blog Archive » Should linking be illegal? | Dan Kennedy Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:40:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397432 [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...] [...] notion set off an eruption from the likes of Jeff Jarvis, Matt Welch and Erick Schonfeld, among others. And they are right to be furious. Not only would [...]

]]> By: First, kill the lawyers – before they kill the news - 5WPR http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397365 First, kill the lawyers – before they kill the news - 5WPR Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:19:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397365 [...] the frighteningly dangerous thinking of Judge Richard Posner – proposing rewriting copyright law to outlaw linking to and summarizing [...] [...] the frighteningly dangerous thinking of Judge Richard Posner – proposing rewriting copyright law to outlaw linking to and summarizing [...]

]]> By: Genrewonk » If you thought the last way to save newspapers was stupid http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397331 Genrewonk » If you thought the last way to save newspapers was stupid Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:42:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397331 [...] here and [...] [...] here and [...]

]]> By: Andy Freeman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397226 Andy Freeman Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:19:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397226 Cute, but dishonest. In other words, vintage Manitoba. I've nothing against someone trying to profit from their work, whatever its form. I do point out that customers get a vote too. If they don't want to pay what you want, your only option is to refuse to provide. Cute, but dishonest. In other words, vintage Manitoba.

I’ve nothing against someone trying to profit from their work, whatever its form. I do point out that customers get a vote too. If they don’t want to pay what you want, your only option is to refuse to provide.

]]> By: Andy Freeman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397224 Andy Freeman Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:16:04 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397224 >> Legal briefs and judge’s opinions are filled with “links” (i.e. citations) to other works. In many cases, those “links” are actually the primary value of the work produced, for pay, by those who write briefs. That's not quite right. Figuring out what links to put where is (some of) the value produced by lawyers. The folks who are producing comparable works (documents with links to interesting things) are being compensated, so I don't see what distinction is being made. >> Legal briefs and judge’s opinions are filled with “links” (i.e. citations) to other works. In many cases, those “links” are actually the primary value of the work produced, for pay, by those who write briefs.

That’s not quite right. Figuring out what links to put where is (some of) the value produced by lawyers. The folks who are producing comparable works (documents with links to interesting things) are being compensated, so I don’t see what distinction is being made.

]]> By: ¿Tienen los enlaces derechos de autor? « Diario de hoy http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397193 ¿Tienen los enlaces derechos de autor? « Diario de hoy Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:04:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397193 [...] El periodista  Jeff Jarvis considera ésta una idea contraria al progreso del periodismo tal y cómo se desarrolla actualmente la distribución de noticias  en todo el mundo y pone como ejemplo la cobertura que medios tan influyentes como el Guardian o el New York Times han hecho de las protestas políticas en Irán. Enlazando contenidos de otros medios. [...] [...] El periodista  Jeff Jarvis considera ésta una idea contraria al progreso del periodismo tal y cómo se desarrolla actualmente la distribución de noticias  en todo el mundo y pone como ejemplo la cobertura que medios tan influyentes como el Guardian o el New York Times han hecho de las protestas políticas en Irán. Enlazando contenidos de otros medios. [...]

]]> By: First, kill the lawyers – before they kill the news « BuzzMachine http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397181 First, kill the lawyers – before they kill the news « BuzzMachine Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:10:17 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397181 [...] the frighteningly dangerous thinking of Judge Richard Posner – proposing rewriting copyright law to outlaw linking to and [...] [...] the frighteningly dangerous thinking of Judge Richard Posner – proposing rewriting copyright law to outlaw linking to and [...]

]]> By: Judge Posner Wants To Outlaw Linking | The Daily Dogcast http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397172 Judge Posner Wants To Outlaw Linking | The Daily Dogcast Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:30:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397172 [...] – I’d better link to this story (and also here) before a mad judge outlaws [...] [...] – I’d better link to this story (and also here) before a mad judge outlaws [...]

]]> By: Mike Manitoba http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/26/posners-dangerous-thinking/#comment-397157 Mike Manitoba Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:51:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4922#comment-397157 "Plagiarism." Ho ho. Such a quaint old-media concept. Information wants to be free. Adapt or perish, Freeman. “Plagiarism.” Ho ho. Such a quaint old-media concept. Information wants to be free. Adapt or perish, Freeman.

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