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		<title>By: Unread News &#171; The Blog About Everything or The World As I See It</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-398899</link>
		<dc:creator>Unread News &#171; The Blog About Everything or The World As I See It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen &#187; Biweekly links for 07/27/2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen &#187; Biweekly links for 07/27/2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journalistic narcissism « BuzzMachine [...]</description>
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		<title>By: If Its Not Produced by Journalists, Is It News?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-398188</link>
		<dc:creator>If Its Not Produced by Journalists, Is It News?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an interesting post, Jeff Jarvis, author of What Would Google Do? digs at the mythology of newspapers and journalists - [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cliff barney</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-398052</link>
		<dc:creator>cliff barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was attracted by this paragraph:

&quot;But why do we need anyone to tell us what’s important? We decide that. What’s important to you isn’t important to me. Why must we all share the same importance? Because we all shared the same newspaper. There is the wellspring of the myth: the press.&quot;

i think there is something to be said for sharing the same newspaper.  in today&#039;s fine-grained internet coverage we all have our own private news source, tailored to our private needs or desires. the result is that we do not have a common experience of that aspect of life. to me that is a real loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was attracted by this paragraph:</p>
<p>&#8220;But why do we need anyone to tell us what’s important? We decide that. What’s important to you isn’t important to me. Why must we all share the same importance? Because we all shared the same newspaper. There is the wellspring of the myth: the press.&#8221;</p>
<p>i think there is something to be said for sharing the same newspaper.  in today&#8217;s fine-grained internet coverage we all have our own private news source, tailored to our private needs or desires. the result is that we do not have a common experience of that aspect of life. to me that is a real loss.</p>
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		<title>By: The Uselessness of Op-Ed Pages &#171; Michael Preston</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-398016</link>
		<dc:creator>The Uselessness of Op-Ed Pages &#171; Michael Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the link and the whole exchange came off as junior varsity to me. I get that it might seem like the height of journalistic narcissism and navel gazing to allow for a couple of talking heads to square off all &#8220;Dueling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the link and the whole exchange came off as junior varsity to me. I get that it might seem like the height of journalistic narcissism and navel gazing to allow for a couple of talking heads to square off all &#8220;Dueling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: [video] &#8220;Two pipsqueaks sitting around talking&#8221;: PD&#8217;s Kroll sweeps up Diadiun&#8217;s dust : Writes Like She Talks</title>
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		<dc:creator>[video] &#8220;Two pipsqueaks sitting around talking&#8221;: PD&#8217;s Kroll sweeps up Diadiun&#8217;s dust : Writes Like She Talks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Connie&#8217;s column, is at her columns (the first and the follow-up) in the comments and at Jeff Jarvis&#8217;s post.  A google search on &#8220;Schultz Marburger&#8221; gets you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoken like a true elitist. And if po&#039; folk can&#039;t afford the news? They don&#039;t deserve it.

The narcissism of the democratic blogger in full bloom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoken like a true elitist. And if po&#8217; folk can&#8217;t afford the news? They don&#8217;t deserve it.</p>
<p>The narcissism of the democratic blogger in full bloom.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly Rob. The weird cackling from bloggers about the dying newspapers or journalists getting laid off is the purest narcissism. Andrew Sullivan is one of those, as is Kos and Huffington. All former Republicans. Interesting that they throw themselves at the feet of the free market with lots of blathering about &quot;Well, just start blogging and you&#039;ll make money like ME ME ME.&quot;  They actually have no answers, just dreamy projections about the wonders of technology. 

And the leftist blogosphere is filled with this glee at job losses in print and elsewhere. They&#039;re not progressives anyway. They&#039;re libertarian narcissists. Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly Rob. The weird cackling from bloggers about the dying newspapers or journalists getting laid off is the purest narcissism. Andrew Sullivan is one of those, as is Kos and Huffington. All former Republicans. Interesting that they throw themselves at the feet of the free market with lots of blathering about &#8220;Well, just start blogging and you&#8217;ll make money like ME ME ME.&#8221;  They actually have no answers, just dreamy projections about the wonders of technology. </p>
<p>And the leftist blogosphere is filled with this glee at job losses in print and elsewhere. They&#8217;re not progressives anyway. They&#8217;re libertarian narcissists. Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Nieuws is pas Nieuws als er Nieuws op staat &#124; Dode Bomen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nieuws is pas Nieuws als er Nieuws op staat &#124; Dode Bomen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was er op zijn eigen weblog als de kippen bij voor een nuancering, die vooral inging op de verschillen tussen (betaalde) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: LinkListe , in&#124;ad&#124;ae&#124;qu&#124;at at in&#124;ad&#124;ae&#124;qu&#124;at</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] des Bürgerjournalismus und der Zeitungskrise - überzogenen und anachronistischen &#8220;Journalistic narcissism &#8221; als Produkt der veralteten Mythen der informationsmonopolistischen &#8220;Presse&#8221; :   [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect government coverage is the largest prop keeping newspapers alive.  It has relevance to almost every facet of our lives, and the government forces regulation to cover it;  no citizen can just walk into those press rooms.  Without that cog, newspapers would lose their primary foundation to speak.

Interestingly, it&#039;s wikinomics that hopefully will change that.  Where is the communal wiki that breaks down government by department and measures its goals, effectiveness, delivery cost, along with suggestions to improve or abolish?  I can envision a template now.  Think tanks, government officials and citizens would all contribute.  I&#039;m surprised no think tank with a favorite government department hasn&#039;t started one yet.  I would.

Further, the wiki could then pressure government to share it&#039;s measurements (which it should be doing now anyway) in public friendly formats.  Measurement and feedback is one of the major issues with government today, and we have the technology and interest (see the political blogosphere) to do a great job of it, with lots of seed money to facilitate and administrate it.  We might end up with 3 or 4 wikis on the same department (say, social security), from various viewpoints.  But at least we&#039;d have a way of stopping the data from moving.

And newspapers would crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect government coverage is the largest prop keeping newspapers alive.  It has relevance to almost every facet of our lives, and the government forces regulation to cover it;  no citizen can just walk into those press rooms.  Without that cog, newspapers would lose their primary foundation to speak.</p>
<p>Interestingly, it&#8217;s wikinomics that hopefully will change that.  Where is the communal wiki that breaks down government by department and measures its goals, effectiveness, delivery cost, along with suggestions to improve or abolish?  I can envision a template now.  Think tanks, government officials and citizens would all contribute.  I&#8217;m surprised no think tank with a favorite government department hasn&#8217;t started one yet.  I would.</p>
<p>Further, the wiki could then pressure government to share it&#8217;s measurements (which it should be doing now anyway) in public friendly formats.  Measurement and feedback is one of the major issues with government today, and we have the technology and interest (see the political blogosphere) to do a great job of it, with lots of seed money to facilitate and administrate it.  We might end up with 3 or 4 wikis on the same department (say, social security), from various viewpoints.  But at least we&#8217;d have a way of stopping the data from moving.</p>
<p>And newspapers would crash.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; journalist could be “disbarred,” so to speak

&quot;so to speak&quot;?

Professionals are personally liable for &quot;errors and omissions&quot;.  Is that what you&#039;re talking about?

&gt; standardized examination process to become licensed.

Nice in theory, but in reality, wouldn&#039;t they become even more like lap-dogs than they already are?

http://gawker.com/5311055/white-house-press-corps-spent-the-fourth-of-july-hanging-out-with-obama-off-the-record</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; journalist could be “disbarred,” so to speak</p>
<p>&#8220;so to speak&#8221;?</p>
<p>Professionals are personally liable for &#8220;errors and omissions&#8221;.  Is that what you&#8217;re talking about?</p>
<p>&gt; standardized examination process to become licensed.</p>
<p>Nice in theory, but in reality, wouldn&#8217;t they become even more like lap-dogs than they already are?</p>
<p><a href="http://gawker.com/5311055/white-house-press-corps-spent-the-fourth-of-july-hanging-out-with-obama-off-the-record" rel="nofollow">http://gawker.com/5311055/white-house-press-corps-spent-the-fourth-of-july-hanging-out-with-obama-off-the-record</a></p>
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		<title>By: Best I know &#8230; &#187; End-of-the-week link explosion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best I know &#8230; &#187; End-of-the-week link explosion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Narcissism, anyone? : http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-397823</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,
As always, well said and a proper question.  
I&#039;m not saying that everything that is relevant to me is about personal self-interest. I care about millions not having health insurance even though I have it myself, for example. Substitue &quot;politics&quot; in this discussion and its the same question and forumulation: I care about all kinds of political issues that don&#039;t directly affect me. I don&#039;t care about others. Those are my choices. There is no one-size-fits-all to news or politics. That was the myth of the mass production of news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,<br />
As always, well said and a proper question.<br />
I&#8217;m not saying that everything that is relevant to me is about personal self-interest. I care about millions not having health insurance even though I have it myself, for example. Substitue &#8220;politics&#8221; in this discussion and its the same question and forumulation: I care about all kinds of political issues that don&#8217;t directly affect me. I don&#8217;t care about others. Those are my choices. There is no one-size-fits-all to news or politics. That was the myth of the mass production of news.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-397822</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeff -- please clarify.

You seem to be verging on saying that there is nothing that is important to &lt;i&gt;society&lt;/i&gt; only things that are important to individuals inasmuch as each person finds a thing relevant to one&#039;s particular circumstance.

Yet &lt;i&gt;news&lt;/i&gt; is a cultural production. It is the framing, prioritizing and narrativizing of &lt;i&gt;events&lt;/i&gt; into a format that can be retold, debated and acted on by people acting socially.

It is plausible to interpret this post as an attempt to replace the narcissism of journalists with the solipsism of individuals. I assume such a conclusion would be a misinterpretation. Please confirm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeff &#8212; please clarify.</p>
<p>You seem to be verging on saying that there is nothing that is important to <i>society</i> only things that are important to individuals inasmuch as each person finds a thing relevant to one&#8217;s particular circumstance.</p>
<p>Yet <i>news</i> is a cultural production. It is the framing, prioritizing and narrativizing of <i>events</i> into a format that can be retold, debated and acted on by people acting socially.</p>
<p>It is plausible to interpret this post as an attempt to replace the narcissism of journalists with the solipsism of individuals. I assume such a conclusion would be a misinterpretation. Please confirm.</p>
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		<title>By: Narcisismo jornalístico : Ponto Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narcisismo jornalístico : Ponto Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TINHA-ME passado este belo texto de Jaff Jarvis, de sábado passado: Journalistic narcissism. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Footprints (07.07.09) &#124; Chris Deary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Footprints (07.07.09) &#124; Chris Deary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cool Links #47: Stress Less &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-397807</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool Links #47: Stress Less &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of news companies.    Jeff Jarvis&#8217; Buzz Machine has a biting, but factual post about the narcissistic tendencies of journalists and how journalists must change that inward looking personality if they want to survive into the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bridget Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-397783</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traditional journalists speak about subjects often assigned to them by someone else.  It&#039;s less about &quot;me me me&quot; than blogging just by definition.  So, when the story is about themselves, it sounds like awkward navel gazing.  Journalists aren&#039;t supposed to become the story and credibility unravels when that changes.

The debate about whether journalists are needed when information abounds will never go away.    Working journalists could separate themselves from other information gatherers by becoming accredited like other professions, doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.  In order to be able to call yourself a journalist, you&#039;d need a combination of education/residency work and then pass a standardized examination process to become licensed.   Quality of news gathering would go up, as would public trust, because a journalist could be &quot;disbarred,&quot; so to speak, when they underperform. 

It was a successful tool for financial planners.  Back when anyone could hang up a shingle and call themselves an FP it was hard for consumers to separate the good from the bad.  It&#039;s not a solution, but accreditation would help.

Bridget Brown
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traditional journalists speak about subjects often assigned to them by someone else.  It&#8217;s less about &#8220;me me me&#8221; than blogging just by definition.  So, when the story is about themselves, it sounds like awkward navel gazing.  Journalists aren&#8217;t supposed to become the story and credibility unravels when that changes.</p>
<p>The debate about whether journalists are needed when information abounds will never go away.    Working journalists could separate themselves from other information gatherers by becoming accredited like other professions, doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.  In order to be able to call yourself a journalist, you&#8217;d need a combination of education/residency work and then pass a standardized examination process to become licensed.   Quality of news gathering would go up, as would public trust, because a journalist could be &#8220;disbarred,&#8221; so to speak, when they underperform. </p>
<p>It was a successful tool for financial planners.  Back when anyone could hang up a shingle and call themselves an FP it was hard for consumers to separate the good from the bad.  It&#8217;s not a solution, but accreditation would help.</p>
<p>Bridget Brown<br />
bridgetbrown.typepad.com/viewfinder</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-397779</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. I learned from friend Rosen the freedom that enables.</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; It’s hard to imagine anyone with less empathy than a tenured professor who practically cheers every time he hears about layoffs .

Jarvis doesn&#039;t cheer.  He yells &quot;you idiots - you should be doing something profitable&quot; and then rants about profitable things.

It&#039;s unclear why Levine objects to Jarvis&#039; yelling and rants.  These layoffs come from losses.  Why is it wrong for Jarvis to suggest that journalists/newspapers do things that will keep them employed/in biz?

BTW - Does Jarvis actually have tenure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; It’s hard to imagine anyone with less empathy than a tenured professor who practically cheers every time he hears about layoffs .</p>
<p>Jarvis doesn&#8217;t cheer.  He yells &#8220;you idiots &#8211; you should be doing something profitable&#8221; and then rants about profitable things.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unclear why Levine objects to Jarvis&#8217; yelling and rants.  These layoffs come from losses.  Why is it wrong for Jarvis to suggest that journalists/newspapers do things that will keep them employed/in biz?</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; Does Jarvis actually have tenure?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-397774</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter whom you are attacking, that is the only way you make argument here: through the attack. That is the definition of the troll. I&#039;ve asked you to stop. I&#039;ll ask you one last time: Stick to substance and stop attacks. I expect collegiality here as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter whom you are attacking, that is the only way you make argument here: through the attack. That is the definition of the troll. I&#8217;ve asked you to stop. I&#8217;ll ask you one last time: Stick to substance and stop attacks. I expect collegiality here as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Mermigas - The Next Five Years - Media&#8217;s Myopic Eye Could Be Its Downfall - True/Slant</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-397771</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Mermigas - The Next Five Years - Media&#8217;s Myopic Eye Could Be Its Downfall - True/Slant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] narrow definition of what is news worthy of coverage on any given day is an exercise in narcissism that is contributing to the destruction of an informative press and an informed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] narrow definition of what is news worthy of coverage on any given day is an exercise in narcissism that is contributing to the destruction of an informative press and an informed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Levine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-397770</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the issue is narcissism and its definition, I&#039;m addressing it. Jay, who is no stranger to attacks himself, seems to be suggesting that professional reporters lacks empathy. I&#039;m pointing out that they are not alone in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the issue is narcissism and its definition, I&#8217;m addressing it. Jay, who is no stranger to attacks himself, seems to be suggesting that professional reporters lacks empathy. I&#8217;m pointing out that they are not alone in that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/#comment-397768</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, Rob, you do not address the issues, you only attack. 

Hard to imagine an adjunct professor who can&#039;t stick to the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, Rob, you do not address the issues, you only attack. </p>
<p>Hard to imagine an adjunct professor who can&#8217;t stick to the discussion.</p>
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