Comments on: Training the crowd as journalists http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Rosenblum http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-398053 Rosenblum Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:33:57 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-398053 Training as the key, particularly in the thousands? Could not agree more. There may not be a future to television or newspapers but training is alive and well. Vibrant, in fact. (As I write from the middle of our course training NOAA employees to be video literate). Training as the key, particularly in the thousands? Could not agree more. There may not be a future to television or newspapers but training is alive and well. Vibrant, in fact. (As I write from the middle of our course training NOAA employees to be video literate).

]]> By: Mrs. Miller http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-398036 Mrs. Miller Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:18:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-398036 Jouarnalism; fact or fiction, it seems that no mater what we see on t.v or here on the radio it has some truth and some of what the reporter or journalist added to spice it up. I have learned make my own conclusion, mabe i'm right. Jouarnalism; fact or fiction, it seems that no mater what we see on t.v or here on the radio it has some truth and some of what the reporter or journalist added to spice it up. I have learned make my own conclusion, mabe i’m right.

]]> By: Todd http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-398004 Todd Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:52:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-398004 Frankly, I don't see a difference between so-called "trained" journalists and "citizen" journalists anymore, so I just don't care anymore. They all deliberately inject their viewpoints into their reporting, something I was trained not to do. TV news now adds music to stories to influence emotion, which may add drama but, in my opinion, violates news value. The Brits tend to report in first person, as if that builds a relationship with the audience, when really it just makes me more suspicious of the bias that's being injected into the "reporting." The problem with news nowadays is that regardless of "trained" or "citizen" status of the reporter, the definition of what is "news" has become lost. And while I agree with Jeff Jarvis that the Star Chambers of editors who, in their arrogance, decide what is news and what isn't, may not be working, the fact that we're getting two weeks of wall-to-wall Michael Jackson coverage proves that pandering to the lowest common denominator and the so-called "citizen" journalist who blogs or tweets or posts on YouTube while our U.S. president systematically destroys our country isn't working either. Frankly, I don’t see a difference between so-called “trained” journalists and “citizen” journalists anymore, so I just don’t care anymore. They all deliberately inject their viewpoints into their reporting, something I was trained not to do. TV news now adds music to stories to influence emotion, which may add drama but, in my opinion, violates news value. The Brits tend to report in first person, as if that builds a relationship with the audience, when really it just makes me more suspicious of the bias that’s being injected into the “reporting.”

The problem with news nowadays is that regardless of “trained” or “citizen” status of the reporter, the definition of what is “news” has become lost.

And while I agree with Jeff Jarvis that the Star Chambers of editors who, in their arrogance, decide what is news and what isn’t, may not be working, the fact that we’re getting two weeks of wall-to-wall Michael Jackson coverage proves that pandering to the lowest common denominator and the so-called “citizen” journalist who blogs or tweets or posts on YouTube while our U.S. president systematically destroys our country isn’t working either.

]]> By: News Organization Realizes The Future: Train People To Help | DodaPedia http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397988 News Organization Realizes The Future: Train People To Help | DodaPedia Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:00:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397988 [...] deOliveira points us to Jeff Jarvis’ coverage of how a news organization in the Philippines is training the public to help out in covering the upcoming election. The idea isn’t to replace the journalists but to augment them, by training everyone to help [...] [...] deOliveira points us to Jeff Jarvis’ coverage of how a news organization in the Philippines is training the public to help out in covering the upcoming election. The idea isn’t to replace the journalists but to augment them, by training everyone to help [...]

]]> By: News Organization Realizes The Future: Train People To Help | dv8-designs http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397982 News Organization Realizes The Future: Train People To Help | dv8-designs Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:42:21 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397982 [...] deOliveira points us to Jeff Jarvis’ coverage of how a news organization in the Philippines is training the public to help out in covering the upcoming election. The idea isn’t to replace the journalists but to augment them, by training everyone to help [...] [...] deOliveira points us to Jeff Jarvis’ coverage of how a news organization in the Philippines is training the public to help out in covering the upcoming election. The idea isn’t to replace the journalists but to augment them, by training everyone to help [...]

]]> By: Dan Shelley http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397972 Dan Shelley Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:31:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397972 In February 2006, when I was chairman of RTNDA, I spent 10 days traveling throughout the Philippines training professional broadcast and online journalists on media ethics. This was at the request of the State Dept., which came to RTNDA for help because local radio and TV reporters were being murdered in disproportionately high numbers there. Many would accept bribes to file reports favoring one candidate. The second candidate would then pay a higher bribe to get favorable coverage. The first candidate would then have the reporter assassinated because he didn't feel he got his money's worth. This was happening not because Filipino reporters were inherently bad. Most were honorable, above-board crusaders exposing corruption at great personal risk. Rather, it was because they were paid next to nothing and the temptations were too great for some. "What good are media ethics if my children's stomachs are empty?" one radio reporter in Davao City asked me. ABS-CBN is to be commended for this bold experiment in citizen journalism. But I know first-hand that a "briefing" on ethics won't be sufficient in what is, essentially, a systemically corrupt environment, especially in smaller communities and rural areas of that country. On the other hand, maybe opening up the process to more people will dilute the ability of the corrupt to influence media coverage. That's how I will hope it ultimately works. In February 2006, when I was chairman of RTNDA, I spent 10 days traveling throughout the Philippines training professional broadcast and online journalists on media ethics. This was at the request of the State Dept., which came to RTNDA for help because local radio and TV reporters were being murdered in disproportionately high numbers there. Many would accept bribes to file reports favoring one candidate. The second candidate would then pay a higher bribe to get favorable coverage. The first candidate would then have the reporter assassinated because he didn’t feel he got his money’s worth. This was happening not because Filipino reporters were inherently bad. Most were honorable, above-board crusaders exposing corruption at great personal risk. Rather, it was because they were paid next to nothing and the temptations were too great for some. “What good are media ethics if my children’s stomachs are empty?” one radio reporter in Davao City asked me. ABS-CBN is to be commended for this bold experiment in citizen journalism. But I know first-hand that a “briefing” on ethics won’t be sufficient in what is, essentially, a systemically corrupt environment, especially in smaller communities and rural areas of that country. On the other hand, maybe opening up the process to more people will dilute the ability of the corrupt to influence media coverage. That’s how I will hope it ultimately works.

]]> By: Brian Greenberg http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397966 Brian Greenberg Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:06:10 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397966 My question is this: is there a separation in journalism school between the process of getting news published and the process of doing investigative reporting? The former seems relatively straight forward and of value to a citizenry that wishes to participate in the reporting process (yes, even if it's for free). The latter seems like a learned skill that can take months or years to perfect, and shouldn't be short-cutted with a single-day workshop. My question is this: is there a separation in journalism school between the process of getting news published and the process of doing investigative reporting? The former seems relatively straight forward and of value to a citizenry that wishes to participate in the reporting process (yes, even if it’s for free). The latter seems like a learned skill that can take months or years to perfect, and shouldn’t be short-cutted with a single-day workshop.

]]> By: Training the crowd as journalists « iThinkEducation.net! http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397918 Training the crowd as journalists « iThinkEducation.net! Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:24:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397918 [...] Jeff Jarvis at BuzzMachine reports on the ABC-CBN TV network’s project in the Philippines to t... to report on the 2010 elections. The resulting corps is called the Boto Mo iPatrol. Jarvis argues that training is going to be a key role for news in the future and says that those who are trained “learn to collaborate with and empower communities to report on themselves.” He points to an article about their curriculum: They will orient the “patrollers” on the fundamentals of citizen journalism—from shooting pictures or videos using cell phones or cameras, to writing captions and telling a story, to uploading their reports to the Internet. They will also be briefed on the electoral process and the ethics of journalism. [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis at BuzzMachine reports on the ABC-CBN TV network’s project in the Philippines to t… to report on the 2010 elections. The resulting corps is called the Boto Mo iPatrol. Jarvis argues that training is going to be a key role for news in the future and says that those who are trained “learn to collaborate with and empower communities to report on themselves.” He points to an article about their curriculum: They will orient the “patrollers” on the fundamentals of citizen journalism—from shooting pictures or videos using cell phones or cameras, to writing captions and telling a story, to uploading their reports to the Internet. They will also be briefed on the electoral process and the ethics of journalism. [...]

]]> By: Smart Mobs » Blog Archive » Training the crowd as Journalists http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397905 Smart Mobs » Blog Archive » Training the crowd as Journalists Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:33:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397905 [...] Jeff Jarvis at BuzzMachine reports on the ABC-CBN TV network’s project in the Philippines to t... to report on the 2010 elections. The resulting corps is called the Boto Mo iPatrol. Jarvis argues that training is going to be a key role for news in the future and says that those who are trained “learn to collaborate with and empower communities to report on themselves.” He points to an article about their curriculum: They will orient the “patrollers” on the fundamentals of citizen journalism—from shooting pictures or videos using cell phones or cameras, to writing captions and telling a story, to uploading their reports to the Internet. They will also be briefed on the electoral process and the ethics of journalism. [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis at BuzzMachine reports on the ABC-CBN TV network’s project in the Philippines to t… to report on the 2010 elections. The resulting corps is called the Boto Mo iPatrol. Jarvis argues that training is going to be a key role for news in the future and says that those who are trained “learn to collaborate with and empower communities to report on themselves.” He points to an article about their curriculum: They will orient the “patrollers” on the fundamentals of citizen journalism—from shooting pictures or videos using cell phones or cameras, to writing captions and telling a story, to uploading their reports to the Internet. They will also be briefed on the electoral process and the ethics of journalism. [...]

]]> By: Jeff Mignon http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397895 Jeff Mignon Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:24:25 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397895 @ Lucas. Do we need professional journalists to report on everything? The answer is no. And it is where we need citizen journalists. The volume of local reporting in local newspapers in the US is just ridiculous. How can you bring any value to your community with 20 to 40 daily local articles? Le Dauphiné Libéré, in France, publishes 3,000 to 4,000 articles a day. Why? Because on top of their 265 journalists, they have a network of 2,000 paid citizen journalists. And that, for more than 50 years. Nothing to learn or to copy here? @ Lucas. Do we need professional journalists to report on everything? The answer is no. And it is where we need citizen journalists. The volume of local reporting in local newspapers in the US is just ridiculous. How can you bring any value to your community with 20 to 40 daily local articles? Le Dauphiné Libéré, in France, publishes 3,000 to 4,000 articles a day. Why? Because on top of their 265 journalists, they have a network of 2,000 paid citizen journalists. And that, for more than 50 years. Nothing to learn or to copy here?

]]> By: Fred H Schlegel http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397869 Fred H Schlegel Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:38:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397869 Neat. Sounds like a thing to add to the K-8 curriculum. Since everyone is publishing a bit of universal training might be interesting. Neat. Sounds like a thing to add to the K-8 curriculum. Since everyone is publishing a bit of universal training might be interesting.

]]> By: Lucas Pattan http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397864 Lucas Pattan Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:13:57 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397864 "I’ve argued that training is going to be a key role for the professional journalists and news organizations as they learn to collaborate with and empower communities to report on themselves." Reminds me of Gladwell's most recent article, and his ironic statement: "If you can afford to pay someone to get other people to write, why can’t you pay people to write?" Is citizen journalism very different from interviews and eyewitness reports? Or is it just getting people to do work for no pay? “I’ve argued that training is going to be a key role for the professional journalists and news organizations as they learn to collaborate with and empower communities to report on themselves.”

Reminds me of Gladwell’s most recent article, and his ironic statement:

“If you can afford to pay someone to get other people to write, why can’t you pay people to write?”

Is citizen journalism very different from interviews and eyewitness reports? Or is it just getting people to do work for no pay?

]]> By: Web Media Daily – July 10, 2009 | Reinventing Yourself... http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397862 Web Media Daily – July 10, 2009 | Reinventing Yourself... Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:22:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397862 [...] Training the crowd as journalists…   BuzzMachine [...] [...] Training the crowd as journalists…   BuzzMachine [...]

]]> By: Treinar jornalistas-cidadãos : Ponto Media http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397860 Treinar jornalistas-cidadãos : Ponto Media Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:52:30 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397860 [...] UMA IDEIA bem interessante: Training the crowd as journalists. [...] [...] UMA IDEIA bem interessante: Training the crowd as journalists. [...]

]]> By: PXLated http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/10/training-the-crowd-as-journalists/#comment-397857 PXLated Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:45:15 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=4993#comment-397857 Training is good. Back in the 80s when Control Data was a Fortune 500, we did a full day training program (with printed guidebooks) for the local newsletter admins (usually the plant managers asst and scattered all around the country). I did a session on type standards, local printing, composing/taking images, etc. The local newsletters were folded into the corporate newspaper. Was very successful and won the national & international Golden Quill awards (three years running as I recall). It was amazing what a little training can do. Training is good.
Back in the 80s when Control Data was a Fortune 500, we did a full day training program (with printed guidebooks) for the local newsletter admins (usually the plant managers asst and scattered all around the country). I did a session on type standards, local printing, composing/taking images, etc. The local newsletters were folded into the corporate newspaper. Was very successful and won the national & international Golden Quill awards (three years running as I recall).
It was amazing what a little training can do.

]]>