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		<title>By: PDA&#8217;s Newsbucket &#124; Richard Hartley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-459340</link>
		<dc:creator>PDA&#8217;s Newsbucket &#124; Richard Hartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 21:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Online Journalism Blog• Pay = &quot;mass delusion&quot;: Schiller (Ex-NYTimes.com and now NPR) &gt;&gt; Jeff Jarvis, Buzzmachine• The Nichepaper Manifesto &gt;&gt; Umair Haque• The future of radio - the worst thing &gt;&gt; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PDA&#8217;s Newsbucket &#124; microslurps.com</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-454618</link>
		<dc:creator>PDA&#8217;s Newsbucket &#124; microslurps.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Online Journalism Blog• Pay = &quot;mass delusion&quot;: Schiller (Ex-NYTimes.com and now NPR) &gt;&gt; Jeff Jarvis, Buzzmachine• The Nichepaper Manifesto &gt;&gt; Umair Haque• The future of radio - the worst thing &gt;&gt; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Online Journalism Blog• Pay = &quot;mass delusion&quot;: Schiller (Ex-NYTimes.com and now NPR) &gt;&gt; Jeff Jarvis, Buzzmachine• The Nichepaper Manifesto &gt;&gt; Umair Haque• The future of radio &#8211; the worst thing &gt;&gt; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: buy cheap steroids</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-424681</link>
		<dc:creator>buy cheap steroids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I&#039;m totally impressed, but this is a lot more than I expected for when I stumbled upon a link on Stumble Upon telling that the info is quite decent. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I&#8217;m totally impressed, but this is a lot more than I expected for when I stumbled upon a link on Stumble Upon telling that the info is quite decent. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: lida</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-412974</link>
		<dc:creator>lida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to separate out the pursuit of journalism (which is a public good and can be carried on by nonprofits) from the business of selling content online. Once you do that, you can focus on how best to monetize. The advertising vs. subscription argument is bogus: you can have both revenue streams simultaneously – along with many others – by offering a variety of choices to the user. That’s the model behind PayCheckr.com (demo online now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to separate out the pursuit of journalism (which is a public good and can be carried on by nonprofits) from the business of selling content online. Once you do that, you can focus on how best to monetize. The advertising vs. subscription argument is bogus: you can have both revenue streams simultaneously – along with many others – by offering a variety of choices to the user. That’s the model behind PayCheckr.com (demo online now).</p>
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		<title>By: neurological physio</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-409008</link>
		<dc:creator>neurological physio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx for the info..</description>
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		<title>By: Assaig sobre mitjans i fotoperiodisme, per David Campbell &#171; Memòries de Brooklyn</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-404638</link>
		<dc:creator>Assaig sobre mitjans i fotoperiodisme, per David Campbell &#171; Memòries de Brooklyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] without direct payment (NPR’s executive director recently called the desire for pay walls a “mass delusion” of the media [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hburgnews.com &#187; DNR Ducking Behind a Pay Wall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-402099</link>
		<dc:creator>hburgnews.com &#187; DNR Ducking Behind a Pay Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been no shortage of debate among national media experts over whether pay walls are a good idea or not. In a totally unscientific poll I ran on hbblogs.com, over 70 percent of participants said they [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Revolutions in the media economy (1) &#8211; the context of crisis &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-401327</link>
		<dc:creator>Revolutions in the media economy (1) &#8211; the context of crisis &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] without direct payment (NPR’s executive director recently called the desire for pay walls a “mass delusion” of the media [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NPR Vivian Schiller on pay walls &#171; TOPICS</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-400831</link>
		<dc:creator>NPR Vivian Schiller on pay walls &#171; TOPICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] DC  12:10 am on September 5, 2009  Log in to leave a Comment   Tags: media economy (15), paywall    Pay = “mass delusion”: Schiller « BuzzMachine. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: C.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-399068</link>
		<dc:creator>C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year, NPR&#039;s traffic was up 78% year on year.[1] The election certainly helped. But to call one of the few news organizations growing and benefiting from the consolidation of the industry a dinosaur suggests you are not terribly familiar with the industry. 

http://www.podcastingnews.com/2008/10/08/new-media-bumps-nprs-site-traffic-up-78-in-one-year/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year, NPR&#8217;s traffic was up 78% year on year.[1] The election certainly helped. But to call one of the few news organizations growing and benefiting from the consolidation of the industry a dinosaur suggests you are not terribly familiar with the industry. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.podcastingnews.com/2008/10/08/new-media-bumps-nprs-site-traffic-up-78-in-one-year/" rel="nofollow">http://www.podcastingnews.com/2008/10/08/new-media-bumps-nprs-site-traffic-up-78-in-one-year/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Murdoch Mans Up - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-399036</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoch Mans Up - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;I am a staunch believer that people will not in large numbers pay for news content online,&#8221; says NPR chief executive Vivian Schiller. It’s almost like there’s mass delusion going on in the industry — They’re saying we really really need it, that we didn’t put up a pay wall 15 years ago, so let’s do it now. In other words, they think that wanting it so badly will automatically actually change the behavior of the audience. The world doesn’t work that way. Frankly, if all the news organizations locked pinkies, and said we’re all going to put up a big fat pay wall, you know what, more traffic for us. News is a commodity; I’m sorry to say. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;I am a staunch believer that people will not in large numbers pay for news content online,&#8221; says NPR chief executive Vivian Schiller. It’s almost like there’s mass delusion going on in the industry — They’re saying we really really need it, that we didn’t put up a pay wall 15 years ago, so let’s do it now. In other words, they think that wanting it so badly will automatically actually change the behavior of the audience. The world doesn’t work that way. Frankly, if all the news organizations locked pinkies, and said we’re all going to put up a big fat pay wall, you know what, more traffic for us. News is a commodity; I’m sorry to say. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoch Mans Up - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-399037</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoch Mans Up - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;I am a staunch believer that people will not in large numbers pay for news content online,&#8221; says NPR chief executive Vivian Schiller. It’s almost like there’s mass delusion going on in the industry — They’re saying we really really need it, that we didn’t put up a pay wall 15 years ago, so let’s do it now. In other words, they think that wanting it so badly will automatically actually change the behavior of the audience. The world doesn’t work that way. Frankly, if all the news organizations locked pinkies, and said we’re all going to put up a big fat pay wall, you know what, more traffic for us. News is a commodity; I’m sorry to say. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;I am a staunch believer that people will not in large numbers pay for news content online,&#8221; says NPR chief executive Vivian Schiller. It’s almost like there’s mass delusion going on in the industry — They’re saying we really really need it, that we didn’t put up a pay wall 15 years ago, so let’s do it now. In other words, they think that wanting it so badly will automatically actually change the behavior of the audience. The world doesn’t work that way. Frankly, if all the news organizations locked pinkies, and said we’re all going to put up a big fat pay wall, you know what, more traffic for us. News is a commodity; I’m sorry to say. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DumbIdea</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398908</link>
		<dc:creator>DumbIdea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she was so smart, why did they shutter the business?
If she was so smart, why did she go to work for such a dinosaur?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she was so smart, why did they shutter the business?<br />
If she was so smart, why did she go to work for such a dinosaur?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398900</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This woman&quot; ran the New York Times digital business and knows more about the realities of paid content than probably anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This woman&#8221; ran the New York Times digital business and knows more about the realities of paid content than probably anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: DumbIdea</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398895</link>
		<dc:creator>DumbIdea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This woman is clueless and knows nothing about business strategy.</description>
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		<title>By: Patrizia Broghammer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398890</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrizia Broghammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not taking in consideration the word saving?
That means producing the same at a lower cost.
This is perfectly feasible.
You do not need to have millions in the Middle East reporting about the same event.
You need millions to write about the same report.
This and that happened on this and that day.
Any Newspaper can describe the same event and talk about past, future, reasons, motives, involvements as he pleases.
You can have one reporting it and one million different ways to see it.
As many as the tastes of the readers.
The news can come in many flavors even starting from one, unique report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not taking in consideration the word saving?<br />
That means producing the same at a lower cost.<br />
This is perfectly feasible.<br />
You do not need to have millions in the Middle East reporting about the same event.<br />
You need millions to write about the same report.<br />
This and that happened on this and that day.<br />
Any Newspaper can describe the same event and talk about past, future, reasons, motives, involvements as he pleases.<br />
You can have one reporting it and one million different ways to see it.<br />
As many as the tastes of the readers.<br />
The news can come in many flavors even starting from one, unique report.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398826</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone believes in the MSM...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone believes in the MSM&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cori Faklaris</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398823</link>
		<dc:creator>Cori Faklaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the rest of us in the news media can learn from NPR is to suck up to extremely wealthy elderly people so they leave us a boatload of cash to finance our journalism.

&quot;November 6, 2003

NPR will benefit from a bequest of more than $200 million from the estate of philanthropist Joan B. Kroc, NPR President Kevin Klose announced Thursday.&quot;

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1494600</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the rest of us in the news media can learn from NPR is to suck up to extremely wealthy elderly people so they leave us a boatload of cash to finance our journalism.</p>
<p>&#8220;November 6, 2003</p>
<p>NPR will benefit from a bequest of more than $200 million from the estate of philanthropist Joan B. Kroc, NPR President Kevin Klose announced Thursday.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1494600" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1494600</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398822</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like google&#039;s main objective is to pump as many advertising dollars out of the everything-should-be-FREE internet as they can so the geniuses can eat for free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfJAeKX9PCA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like google&#8217;s main objective is to pump as many advertising dollars out of the everything-should-be-FREE internet as they can so the geniuses can eat for free.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfJAeKX9PCA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfJAeKX9PCA</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tenrou Ugetsu</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398821</link>
		<dc:creator>Tenrou Ugetsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this day and age, newspapers seem to be going by the wayside.  Believe me, as journalism major turned law student I saw how tough it was out there.  Most people don&#039;t want to take time to read a long in-depth article, let alone pay for it.  It&#039;s all quick and short news now (the news stroller at the bottom of every 24 hour news station is a good example).  If it can&#039;t be &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2009/06/08/keeping-credit-card-companies-in-check/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twittered&lt;/a&gt; then people don&#039;t seem to care about knowing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this day and age, newspapers seem to be going by the wayside.  Believe me, as journalism major turned law student I saw how tough it was out there.  Most people don&#8217;t want to take time to read a long in-depth article, let alone pay for it.  It&#8217;s all quick and short news now (the news stroller at the bottom of every 24 hour news station is a good example).  If it can&#8217;t be <a HREF="http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2009/06/08/keeping-credit-card-companies-in-check/" rel="nofollow">Twittered</a> then people don&#8217;t seem to care about knowing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob P.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398819</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WARNING: RANT AHEAD ...

How can everything be &quot;free&quot;? Step back a second, and it just seems nuts. Anybody remember &quot;Dow 45,000&quot;? The &quot;new economy&quot;? How &#039;bout all the Realtors running around saying, &quot;Oh, maybe house prices can&#039;t keep going up so fast forever, but they&#039;ll just level off, they won&#039;t go down! The one thing they don&#039;t make any more of is land!&quot;?

Good lord. Ain&#039;t no such thing as a new economy. “We are at the dawn of a time where ideas, thoughts, and what we produce can be shared and is valued on a whole new scale.” OK, whatever that means. If you think human nature dawns into new eras, you need to go back and read those 2,500-year-old Greek plays. Or Shakespeare. The more things change …

It&#039;s when you start thinking all of the sudden you&#039;re brighter than everybody who came before or that you just see things more clearly or that you understand the new technology better and that you see this revolutionary change coming to the human condition ... well, that could be when you&#039;re on the path to trouble. Actually, that’s what some of those old Greek plays were about.

Anyway, some of this dreaming about all information being free -- even though collecting that information comes at great cost, or at least the cost of paying someone to do it so they can eat and pay the rent -- seems to me to be hatched from the same egg as ideas about &quot;the new economy&quot; or the nuts who kept fueling the real estate boom. “The rules have changed!” they shout.

Yeah, I understand that some people see the masses rising up to overthrow the old fogey media, those jerks who actually get paid to rewrite press releases and such. Volunteer/citizen journalism certainly has value. I&#039;m not going to turn my nose up at it. I just don&#039;t see it ever filling all the gaps once you get to a point in your life where you are no longer sleeping on a futon and can move from one apartment to another with one trip in a borrowed pickup truck.

It&#039;s like anything you observe from the outside. It looks easy. “Damn, those fools keep making mistakes. Why can&#039;t they just do it right?” You see this happening everywhere. So many self published books these days -- &quot;look, ma, I&#039;m a novelist!&quot; Anybody who can pick up a guitar can make a CD. Anybody with a blog can be a journalist.

I don&#039;t mean to denigrate all this. Sometimes, there are hardworking, talented people who come to prominence via those routes. Not very often, but sometimes. The cream will rise. But, lord, I look at the comments on stories on newspaper Web sites and I have to think, &quot;yeah, if that guy wrote a letter to the editor, it would never see print -- and for good reason.&quot; So often they are just ranting nuts (just like me!). But that&#039;s fine. I can sort through them. Give them their soapbox if it makes &#039;em feel better.

But you&#039;re gonna put your status as an informed citizen into the hands of who knows who? Not me.

I&#039;m sure Jarvis understands the need for paid, professional journalists. Sure there are bad ones, but there are good ones, you know.

But it just looks to me that the present situation has to be temporary. Of course it is a time of transition. Much of the &quot;commodity&quot; news that people supposedly aren&#039;t willing to pay for is generated by people who are paid -- probably by a company that is now losing money or just barely hanging on. How is that sustainable? If they go away, what will fill the screen at Google News?

I give Google all the credit in the world. They figured out how to make a bundle by getting people information but not really having to do the work of compiling the information. A stroke of damn genius. Wish I thought of it.

And I understand that some things change. Yes, the concept on which The AP was founded, for instance, makes no sense anymore. At the time it began its formation -- in the mid-1800s during the U.S. war with Mexico, when the fastest way to move information was a diminutive man on a good horse -- the &quot;news cooperative&quot; idea was also a stroke of brilliance. With today&#039;s technology, it has outlived its usefulness.

But in the end, meaningful information requires human labor -- to gather it, to compile it, to translate it from some bureaucratic jargon into something readable, to present it in visual or written or audio form, and to deliver it somewhere.

Human labor will never be free. At least it shouldn&#039;t be in any civilized society. Neither will information. It has value. If it has value, somebody will figure out how to make a buck on it. Hell, there’s this thing going on that you read about now and then about how some very large corporations are trying to privatize water supplies. If you think they’re gonna let information go free, you’ve gotta be crazy.

Google certainly has made a buck on information that others have compiled. With regard to news, I won&#039;t go so far as to say Google is killing newspapers. Newspapers deserve plenty of blame. But Google News is relying for the information that it aggregates upon institutions that are sick and withering. How is that a good business model? But then I doubt news generates a big part of Google&#039;s revenue, anyway, so maybe Google could really care less about newspapers&#039; survival.

I know. It all comes back to advertising. It makes a lot for Google, but not so much for others. Right now advertising is not paying the bills for traditional news outlets.

Google has blazed a path here, though. I guess I just really think they need some competition so that maybe the advertising revenue they have been reaping will be forced to pay out in more fair ways. So I think this Microsoft-Yahoo news is good. For the first time in my life, I think, I’m now rooting for Microsoft – and I’ll be using Bing. Who knew Microsoft would be the underdog one day? And it’s certainly conceivable that one day Google, too, will be an underdog. Hubris can do that to you. Damn, it always comes back to the Greeks.</description>
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<p>How can everything be &#8220;free&#8221;? Step back a second, and it just seems nuts. Anybody remember &#8220;Dow 45,000&#8243;? The &#8220;new economy&#8221;? How &#8217;bout all the Realtors running around saying, &#8220;Oh, maybe house prices can&#8217;t keep going up so fast forever, but they&#8217;ll just level off, they won&#8217;t go down! The one thing they don&#8217;t make any more of is land!&#8221;?</p>
<p>Good lord. Ain&#8217;t no such thing as a new economy. “We are at the dawn of a time where ideas, thoughts, and what we produce can be shared and is valued on a whole new scale.” OK, whatever that means. If you think human nature dawns into new eras, you need to go back and read those 2,500-year-old Greek plays. Or Shakespeare. The more things change …</p>
<p>It&#8217;s when you start thinking all of the sudden you&#8217;re brighter than everybody who came before or that you just see things more clearly or that you understand the new technology better and that you see this revolutionary change coming to the human condition &#8230; well, that could be when you&#8217;re on the path to trouble. Actually, that’s what some of those old Greek plays were about.</p>
<p>Anyway, some of this dreaming about all information being free &#8212; even though collecting that information comes at great cost, or at least the cost of paying someone to do it so they can eat and pay the rent &#8212; seems to me to be hatched from the same egg as ideas about &#8220;the new economy&#8221; or the nuts who kept fueling the real estate boom. “The rules have changed!” they shout.</p>
<p>Yeah, I understand that some people see the masses rising up to overthrow the old fogey media, those jerks who actually get paid to rewrite press releases and such. Volunteer/citizen journalism certainly has value. I&#8217;m not going to turn my nose up at it. I just don&#8217;t see it ever filling all the gaps once you get to a point in your life where you are no longer sleeping on a futon and can move from one apartment to another with one trip in a borrowed pickup truck.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like anything you observe from the outside. It looks easy. “Damn, those fools keep making mistakes. Why can&#8217;t they just do it right?” You see this happening everywhere. So many self published books these days &#8212; &#8220;look, ma, I&#8217;m a novelist!&#8221; Anybody who can pick up a guitar can make a CD. Anybody with a blog can be a journalist.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to denigrate all this. Sometimes, there are hardworking, talented people who come to prominence via those routes. Not very often, but sometimes. The cream will rise. But, lord, I look at the comments on stories on newspaper Web sites and I have to think, &#8220;yeah, if that guy wrote a letter to the editor, it would never see print &#8212; and for good reason.&#8221; So often they are just ranting nuts (just like me!). But that&#8217;s fine. I can sort through them. Give them their soapbox if it makes &#8216;em feel better.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re gonna put your status as an informed citizen into the hands of who knows who? Not me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Jarvis understands the need for paid, professional journalists. Sure there are bad ones, but there are good ones, you know.</p>
<p>But it just looks to me that the present situation has to be temporary. Of course it is a time of transition. Much of the &#8220;commodity&#8221; news that people supposedly aren&#8217;t willing to pay for is generated by people who are paid &#8212; probably by a company that is now losing money or just barely hanging on. How is that sustainable? If they go away, what will fill the screen at Google News?</p>
<p>I give Google all the credit in the world. They figured out how to make a bundle by getting people information but not really having to do the work of compiling the information. A stroke of damn genius. Wish I thought of it.</p>
<p>And I understand that some things change. Yes, the concept on which The AP was founded, for instance, makes no sense anymore. At the time it began its formation &#8212; in the mid-1800s during the U.S. war with Mexico, when the fastest way to move information was a diminutive man on a good horse &#8212; the &#8220;news cooperative&#8221; idea was also a stroke of brilliance. With today&#8217;s technology, it has outlived its usefulness.</p>
<p>But in the end, meaningful information requires human labor &#8212; to gather it, to compile it, to translate it from some bureaucratic jargon into something readable, to present it in visual or written or audio form, and to deliver it somewhere.</p>
<p>Human labor will never be free. At least it shouldn&#8217;t be in any civilized society. Neither will information. It has value. If it has value, somebody will figure out how to make a buck on it. Hell, there’s this thing going on that you read about now and then about how some very large corporations are trying to privatize water supplies. If you think they’re gonna let information go free, you’ve gotta be crazy.</p>
<p>Google certainly has made a buck on information that others have compiled. With regard to news, I won&#8217;t go so far as to say Google is killing newspapers. Newspapers deserve plenty of blame. But Google News is relying for the information that it aggregates upon institutions that are sick and withering. How is that a good business model? But then I doubt news generates a big part of Google&#8217;s revenue, anyway, so maybe Google could really care less about newspapers&#8217; survival.</p>
<p>I know. It all comes back to advertising. It makes a lot for Google, but not so much for others. Right now advertising is not paying the bills for traditional news outlets.</p>
<p>Google has blazed a path here, though. I guess I just really think they need some competition so that maybe the advertising revenue they have been reaping will be forced to pay out in more fair ways. So I think this Microsoft-Yahoo news is good. For the first time in my life, I think, I’m now rooting for Microsoft – and I’ll be using Bing. Who knew Microsoft would be the underdog one day? And it’s certainly conceivable that one day Google, too, will be an underdog. Hubris can do that to you. Damn, it always comes back to the Greeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Cuffe</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398790</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Cuffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow,

I really can&#039;t believe the Times is even considering it.  Totally mindboggling to even think in that direction.

Being a twenty-nine year old who grew up hooked into the net from the early days, I understand this just doesn&#039;t work.  

I just finished Jeff&#039;s book &quot;What Would Google Do?&quot; and he actually mentioned when they charged a few years back, which I had totally forgotten about.

I used to actually be a reader of the Times back then, and never went to the site because it was a charged service. I never found the value in paying the enormous fee, when I grew up in a generation where we expect that information (The Times) to be free.  We are visiting their site after all, and still have to look at the ads they&#039;re making money off of.  
 
In fact, CNN tried to do a tiered charge thing for their videos also, which they intelligently backed out of.  I guess the figures for CNN didn&#039;t work out as well as planned either.

Content has to be free.  That draws traffic.  The more content they produce, the more valuable they become... all with good search engine optimization of course.  ;)

This is a classic example of old business (charge for everything) clashing with the new.  That is why newspapers all over this country are failing.  Not because of economy, but because of confusion over what the current currency really is.  

We are at the dawn of a time where ideas, thoughts, and what we produce can be shared and is valued on a whole new scale.  

You gotta keep up if you want to play with the kids on the block:  Youth.</description>
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<p>I really can&#8217;t believe the Times is even considering it.  Totally mindboggling to even think in that direction.</p>
<p>Being a twenty-nine year old who grew up hooked into the net from the early days, I understand this just doesn&#8217;t work.  </p>
<p>I just finished Jeff&#8217;s book &#8220;What Would Google Do?&#8221; and he actually mentioned when they charged a few years back, which I had totally forgotten about.</p>
<p>I used to actually be a reader of the Times back then, and never went to the site because it was a charged service. I never found the value in paying the enormous fee, when I grew up in a generation where we expect that information (The Times) to be free.  We are visiting their site after all, and still have to look at the ads they&#8217;re making money off of.  </p>
<p>In fact, CNN tried to do a tiered charge thing for their videos also, which they intelligently backed out of.  I guess the figures for CNN didn&#8217;t work out as well as planned either.</p>
<p>Content has to be free.  That draws traffic.  The more content they produce, the more valuable they become&#8230; all with good search engine optimization of course.  <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This is a classic example of old business (charge for everything) clashing with the new.  That is why newspapers all over this country are failing.  Not because of economy, but because of confusion over what the current currency really is.  </p>
<p>We are at the dawn of a time where ideas, thoughts, and what we produce can be shared and is valued on a whole new scale.  </p>
<p>You gotta keep up if you want to play with the kids on the block:  Youth.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398786</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scaling up Jeff&#039;s business model, 50 million / year gives a staff of 300 to 350, and 200 to 250 content producers.  That&#039;s not shabby.  They only have 350 staff writers now, and maybe 800 or 900 in their newsroom.  So 25%.  Although they&#039;ll probably have to go through bankruptcy first to shed some debt.

Ad revenue wouldn&#039;t go to zero either.  Right now they make $70 million per year online.  Their optimized advertising + subscription revenue will fall somewhere between 70 million and around 100 million, depending on the demand curve for subscriptions and response of advertising dollars.  Worst case, 70 million, advertising only.  If they were to get 50 million in subscriptions it would only make sense if they retained at least 20 million in ad revenue.  Scaling up Jeff&#039;s numbers that&#039;s 400 or 600 staff, and 300 to 400 content producers, maybe half of what they have now (350 staff writers, and a newsroom of 800 or 900).  That can work.  It probably has to work.  And hopefully the somewhat lower number of writers doesn&#039;t hurt ad revenue or subscription demand too drastically, and if so the business just settles at a lower number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scaling up Jeff&#8217;s business model, 50 million / year gives a staff of 300 to 350, and 200 to 250 content producers.  That&#8217;s not shabby.  They only have 350 staff writers now, and maybe 800 or 900 in their newsroom.  So 25%.  Although they&#8217;ll probably have to go through bankruptcy first to shed some debt.</p>
<p>Ad revenue wouldn&#8217;t go to zero either.  Right now they make $70 million per year online.  Their optimized advertising + subscription revenue will fall somewhere between 70 million and around 100 million, depending on the demand curve for subscriptions and response of advertising dollars.  Worst case, 70 million, advertising only.  If they were to get 50 million in subscriptions it would only make sense if they retained at least 20 million in ad revenue.  Scaling up Jeff&#8217;s numbers that&#8217;s 400 or 600 staff, and 300 to 400 content producers, maybe half of what they have now (350 staff writers, and a newsroom of 800 or 900).  That can work.  It probably has to work.  And hopefully the somewhat lower number of writers doesn&#8217;t hurt ad revenue or subscription demand too drastically, and if so the business just settles at a lower number.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-07-29 &#171; Sarah Hartley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/28/pay-insanity/#comment-398783</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-07-29 &#171; Sarah Hartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pay = “mass delusion”: Schiller « BuzzMachine It’s almost like there’s mass delusion going on in the industry—They’re saying we really really need it, that we didn’t put up a pay wall 15 years ago, so let’s do it now. In other words, they think that wanting it so badly will automatically actually change the behavior of the audience. The world doesn’t work that way. (tags: nytimes paidcontent jarvis newspapers online paywall) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pay = “mass delusion”: Schiller « BuzzMachine It’s almost like there’s mass delusion going on in the industry—They’re saying we really really need it, that we didn’t put up a pay wall 15 years ago, so let’s do it now. In other words, they think that wanting it so badly will automatically actually change the behavior of the audience. The world doesn’t work that way. (tags: nytimes paidcontent jarvis newspapers online paywall) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? I don&#039;t know a lot about the range of mobile devices, but a lot of Blackberry apps are not free as I understand it. Sometimes you just have to buy the app for few bucks. Sometimes it comes as a subscription kind of payment -- Pandora, for instance, you have to pay for monthly if you go over 40 hours, apparently. It&#039;s the same with iPhone apps. Some are free, some aren&#039;t. Anyway, we might be getting off the topic of this post. The question was, would people pay for LOCAL news on their mobile device? And just for the record, I&#039;m not an &quot;iPhone person.&quot; This technology does fascinate me, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? I don&#8217;t know a lot about the range of mobile devices, but a lot of Blackberry apps are not free as I understand it. Sometimes you just have to buy the app for few bucks. Sometimes it comes as a subscription kind of payment &#8212; Pandora, for instance, you have to pay for monthly if you go over 40 hours, apparently. It&#8217;s the same with iPhone apps. Some are free, some aren&#8217;t. Anyway, we might be getting off the topic of this post. The question was, would people pay for LOCAL news on their mobile device? And just for the record, I&#8217;m not an &#8220;iPhone person.&#8221; This technology does fascinate me, however.</p>
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