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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: A.F. Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/#comment-402760</link>
		<dc:creator>A.F. Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say &quot;food chain&quot; ... Where&#039;s my editor??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to say &#8220;food chain&#8221; &#8230; Where&#8217;s my editor??</p>
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		<title>By: A.F. Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/#comment-402759</link>
		<dc:creator>A.F. Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to organize a conference/convention in the D.C. metro area that focuses on new paradigms of American economic sector integrity, workplace productivity, and wok-life balance. Would love to have your help in putting this together. Those of us that think alike need to create our own movement to help turn this economy around. I&#039;ve lost a lot of my confidence in the news media because of the blatant social intimacy of its members with political and Hollywood glitterati, as well as big business. The &quot;Fourth Estate&quot; is NOT INDEPENDENT, if in fact it ever was. Citizen journalism is the wave of the present and future -- the big question is: How do we get paid for our reporting and insightful commentary, much of which hits the mark so much more forthrightly than our cousins at the top of the increasingly unstable newsmaking food chaing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to organize a conference/convention in the D.C. metro area that focuses on new paradigms of American economic sector integrity, workplace productivity, and wok-life balance. Would love to have your help in putting this together. Those of us that think alike need to create our own movement to help turn this economy around. I&#8217;ve lost a lot of my confidence in the news media because of the blatant social intimacy of its members with political and Hollywood glitterati, as well as big business. The &#8220;Fourth Estate&#8221; is NOT INDEPENDENT, if in fact it ever was. Citizen journalism is the wave of the present and future &#8212; the big question is: How do we get paid for our reporting and insightful commentary, much of which hits the mark so much more forthrightly than our cousins at the top of the increasingly unstable newsmaking food chaing?</p>
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		<title>By: Last But Not Least: Buzzmachine &#124; Characters in Cyberspace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Last But Not Least: Buzzmachine &#124; Characters in Cyberspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of journalism. For example, Jarvis debated whether journalism was in fact a sustainable industry (Is journalism an industry? September 18th, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Journalism Job Market: Part II, Downturn &#124; NewsHaven</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/#comment-401859</link>
		<dc:creator>The Journalism Job Market: Part II, Downturn &#124; NewsHaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] market, I broke down journalistic employment by industry. In response, Jeff Jarvis quite correctly wondered “Is journalism an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is journalism an industry? &#171; CoMuNiCa2 &#8211; Danilo Mora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is journalism an industry? &#171; CoMuNiCa2 &#8211; Danilo Mora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/#comment-401578</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
Good. I disagree with you at my peril. 
j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
Good. I disagree with you at my peril.<br />
j</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mandel</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/#comment-401577</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Mandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff, 

I don&#039;t disagree with your points. I think you&#039;ll find that my next post (coming in the next couple of days) will answer at least some (not all!) of your questions. 

Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with your points. I think you&#8217;ll find that my next post (coming in the next couple of days) will answer at least some (not all!) of your questions. </p>
<p>Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Veckan som gick &#8211; vecka 38 &#171; Same Same But Different</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veckan som gick &#8211; vecka 38 &#171; Same Same But Different</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] och affärsmodeller:  Paul Graham skriver utifrån tesen att vi aldrig betalat för innehåll.  Jeff Jarvis &#8211; Is journalism an industry? Micco Grönholm &#8211; Världens bästa kulram erbjuder ingen nytta för företag.  Fredrik [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Revue de Presse Internet du 14 au 20 septembre 2009 &#171; Last Exit To My Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/#comment-401546</link>
		<dc:creator>Revue de Presse Internet du 14 au 20 septembre 2009 &#171; Last Exit To My Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 8. Le journalisme est-il une industrie ? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rosenblum</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/#comment-401527</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosenblum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff
 I think it&#039;s all about efficiency. We have to recalibrate the baseline.
We&#039;re now running three hyperlocal tv news stations, each one employs 7 people. Total. And they work. And they&#039;re profitable.  They could not have existed a few years ago, and they certainly would not be viable if they were built on the old model.  We&#039;ve effectively expanded the journalism but we&#039;ve also created a mode that creates more journalism with far fewer people.

Ironically, a few years ago when I participated in one of your &#039;future of journalism&#039; exercises at CUNY the group started with a newspaper newsroom with more than 100 people and by the end had chopped it down to a dozen or so.  Worked in theory... turns out it works in real life as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff<br />
 I think it&#8217;s all about efficiency. We have to recalibrate the baseline.<br />
We&#8217;re now running three hyperlocal tv news stations, each one employs 7 people. Total. And they work. And they&#8217;re profitable.  They could not have existed a few years ago, and they certainly would not be viable if they were built on the old model.  We&#8217;ve effectively expanded the journalism but we&#8217;ve also created a mode that creates more journalism with far fewer people.</p>
<p>Ironically, a few years ago when I participated in one of your &#8216;future of journalism&#8217; exercises at CUNY the group started with a newspaper newsroom with more than 100 people and by the end had chopped it down to a dozen or so.  Worked in theory&#8230; turns out it works in real life as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Data, Information, Knowledge, Wisdom &#171; Woolly Days</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/#comment-401525</link>
		<dc:creator>Data, Information, Knowledge, Wisdom &#171; Woolly Days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from more than 450,000 in 1990 to fewer than 300,000 today. Jarvis calls the media the first “post-industry.” But as communications theorist Dennis McQuail wrote, the Information Society so beloved of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from more than 450,000 in 1990 to fewer than 300,000 today. Jarvis calls the media the first “post-industry.” But as communications theorist Dennis McQuail wrote, the Information Society so beloved of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ((( rebell.tv ))) blog - "post-journalistic age". logo: aber ganz anders ;-)</title>
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		<dc:creator>((( rebell.tv ))) blog - "post-journalistic age". logo: aber ganz anders ;-)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] anders ;-) sender: &gt; culturalstudies &#124; &#124; von sms um 13:28ob der journalismus eine industrie sei. fragt sich jeff jarvis. und schliesst den eintrag in seinem subtraktionsblog so ab:   freilich kennt sich jeff jarvis (wikipedia) aus in dieser industrie. &#124; mercedes bunz berichtet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] anders <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  sender: &gt; culturalstudies | | von sms um 13:28ob der journalismus eine industrie sei. fragt sich jeff jarvis. und schliesst den eintrag in seinem subtraktionsblog so ab:   freilich kennt sich jeff jarvis (wikipedia) aus in dieser industrie. | mercedes bunz berichtet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Journalism: Business or Industry? &#171; Wir sprechen Online.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/09/18/is-journalism-an-industry/#comment-401519</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalism: Business or Industry? &#171; Wir sprechen Online.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journalism is a business. But is it still an industry dominated by companies and employment? http://j.mp/33ndVp   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Journalism is a business. But is it still an industry dominated by companies and employment? <a href="http://j.mp/33ndVp" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/33ndVp</a>   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; So is employment the measure of news? No.&lt;/i&gt;

In addition -- not in contradiction -- to the points you make, there is another reason why the decline in the size of the workforce in the news industry is not an accurate metric for changes in journalistic activity.

In its industrial phase, editorial staffs at news organizations were engaged in a bundle of activities, many of which are not properly news and need not be performed by journalists when the news delivery medium is unbundled.

In newspapers, can the comics or the crossword or Sudoku be called journalism? Is compiling movie listings or stock prices or sports box scores journalism? Is rewriting press releases or offering free space for public relations journalism?

TV news is burdened by similar dead weight of non-journalistic activity. On local news, is the five-day weather forecast or the traffic helicopter update or the sports highlight reel really journalism? Think of the Today Show or Good Morning America: when they host a pop concert or offer a cooking how-to or stage a fashion show with Marie Claire or InStyle, are they really practicing journalism? What is the difference between an actor’s appearance to plug a movie on Tonight or the Late Show compared with his appearance on Today or GMA? Can we seriously say that the former interview is show business and the latter is journalism? Of course not.

Unbundling newscasts and newspapers into their constituent parts for online distribution will surely mean that many fewer journalists will be employed than in their precursor bundled industries. Yet it will also surely mean that journalists will be freed to do what they are supposed to -- deliver the news -- rather than being conduits for listings, recreation, PR stunts, information, show business and service features.

Their employment may go down but the percentage of their time spent on journalism proper will go up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> So is employment the measure of news? No.</i></p>
<p>In addition &#8212; not in contradiction &#8212; to the points you make, there is another reason why the decline in the size of the workforce in the news industry is not an accurate metric for changes in journalistic activity.</p>
<p>In its industrial phase, editorial staffs at news organizations were engaged in a bundle of activities, many of which are not properly news and need not be performed by journalists when the news delivery medium is unbundled.</p>
<p>In newspapers, can the comics or the crossword or Sudoku be called journalism? Is compiling movie listings or stock prices or sports box scores journalism? Is rewriting press releases or offering free space for public relations journalism?</p>
<p>TV news is burdened by similar dead weight of non-journalistic activity. On local news, is the five-day weather forecast or the traffic helicopter update or the sports highlight reel really journalism? Think of the Today Show or Good Morning America: when they host a pop concert or offer a cooking how-to or stage a fashion show with Marie Claire or InStyle, are they really practicing journalism? What is the difference between an actor’s appearance to plug a movie on Tonight or the Late Show compared with his appearance on Today or GMA? Can we seriously say that the former interview is show business and the latter is journalism? Of course not.</p>
<p>Unbundling newscasts and newspapers into their constituent parts for online distribution will surely mean that many fewer journalists will be employed than in their precursor bundled industries. Yet it will also surely mean that journalists will be freed to do what they are supposed to &#8212; deliver the news &#8212; rather than being conduits for listings, recreation, PR stunts, information, show business and service features.</p>
<p>Their employment may go down but the percentage of their time spent on journalism proper will go up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hendricks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s about the decentralization of journalism as an industrial complex, about news no longer being based solely on employment.&quot;  We are entering the era of &quot;Artisanal News&quot;.

As you&#039;ve discussed before, Journalism is no longer the product of an institution.  It&#039;s really become an individual pursuit.  The &#039;amount&#039; of journalistic output has likely dramatically increased since 1990 - probably more than inverse to the number of &#039;professional&#039; journalism jobs.  

So it&#039;s likely that there is probably an increase in overall journalism production, and that is the good news in our society today.  It&#039;s distribution model has changed more dramatically, as has its monetization.  It&#039;s been democratized and decentralized.  But who&#039;s making enough money doing it with the smaller audiences?   Will be interesting to see what happens in the post-industry as it develops.

Unfortunately our manufacturing base has not shifted in a similar fashion.  For while journalism has blossomed from samizdat-like capabilities of bloggers, there has not been a parallel innovation in manufacturing.  Those jobs are overseas and it&#039;s not easy to bring them back.  We can&#039;t offshore most journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s about the decentralization of journalism as an industrial complex, about news no longer being based solely on employment.&#8221;  We are entering the era of &#8220;Artisanal News&#8221;.</p>
<p>As you&#8217;ve discussed before, Journalism is no longer the product of an institution.  It&#8217;s really become an individual pursuit.  The &#8216;amount&#8217; of journalistic output has likely dramatically increased since 1990 &#8211; probably more than inverse to the number of &#8216;professional&#8217; journalism jobs.  </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s likely that there is probably an increase in overall journalism production, and that is the good news in our society today.  It&#8217;s distribution model has changed more dramatically, as has its monetization.  It&#8217;s been democratized and decentralized.  But who&#8217;s making enough money doing it with the smaller audiences?   Will be interesting to see what happens in the post-industry as it develops.</p>
<p>Unfortunately our manufacturing base has not shifted in a similar fashion.  For while journalism has blossomed from samizdat-like capabilities of bloggers, there has not been a parallel innovation in manufacturing.  Those jobs are overseas and it&#8217;s not easy to bring them back.  We can&#8217;t offshore most journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: shawnpetriw</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawnpetriw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I think you should use a different word than &quot;noneconomy&quot; for volunteers. The non-money economy is also much, much bigger than volunteerism, from parenting your children to making your own meal instead of eating out.

Alvin and Heidi Toffler really get into this in their latest work &quot;Revolutionary Wealth.&quot; They argue (successfully I feel) that the money economy freely rides the coattails of the non-money economy.

If you haven&#039;t read the book I strongly urge you to do so. I think you&#039;ll find it bolsters your positions a great deal, and will add even more nuance to understanding what&#039;s happening in media today.

http://www.amazon.com/Revolutionary-Wealth-created-change-lives/dp/038552207X</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I think you should use a different word than &#8220;noneconomy&#8221; for volunteers. The non-money economy is also much, much bigger than volunteerism, from parenting your children to making your own meal instead of eating out.</p>
<p>Alvin and Heidi Toffler really get into this in their latest work &#8220;Revolutionary Wealth.&#8221; They argue (successfully I feel) that the money economy freely rides the coattails of the non-money economy.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t read the book I strongly urge you to do so. I think you&#8217;ll find it bolsters your positions a great deal, and will add even more nuance to understanding what&#8217;s happening in media today.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Revolutionary-Wealth-created-change-lives/dp/038552207X" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Revolutionary-Wealth-created-change-lives/dp/038552207X</a></p>
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