Comments on: The temporary web

By: links for 2009-12-05 « Glenna DeRoy

links for 2009-12-05 « Glenna DeRoy — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:33:39 +0000

[...] The temporary web « BuzzMachine (tags: socialmedia web technology) [...]

By: 233grados.com: Locura Murdoch « OMCIM/Los medios vistos por medios

233grados.com: Locura Murdoch « OMCIM/Los medios vistos por medios — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:39:57 +0000

[...] JEFF JARVIS/Buzzmachine [...]

By: Jeff Jarvis: 10 intelligent things said by the man behind the keyboard « Nicolamunday’s Weblog

Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:41:24 +0000

[...] 3. “Twitter is temporary. Streams are fleeting… we risk losing information” [...]

By: Unity Behind Diversity » The Temporary Web and Digital Histories » Blaise Alleyne

Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:48:53 +0000

[...] Jarvis recently voiced some concerns about the temporary web: Twitter is temporary. Streams are fleeting. If the future of the web after the page and the site [...]

By: hugh macleod

hugh macleod — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:06:57 +0000

I feel your pain, Jeff. Which is why I got rod of my Blackberry, leave the computer at the office at night, and also, I am happy to say, upped my cartoon production fivefold compared to a year ago.

I needed to get back to basics. The state of constant distraction you speak of was getting REALLY annoying for me

Like I said on my blog, the internet has liberated us from so much; it’s no duty not to become enslaved by the very thing that freed us in the first place.

By: Thorstena » Info-Adipositas - Risiken und Nebenwirkungen

Thorstena » Info-Adipositas - Risiken und Nebenwirkungen — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:31:26 +0000

[...] Frage ist nun: Droht den Nutzern bei übermäßigem Gebrauch dieser Häppchen Info-Adipositas? Jeff Jarvis schließt jedenfalls nicht aus, dass die Informations-Verdauung per Twitter Nebenwirkung… Neben der Gefahr, bei aller Zerstreutheit der zur Verfügung gestellten Infos [...]

By: Links: data.govt, temporariness, paywall wait | The Evolving Newsroom

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:15:37 +0000

[...] Jarvis hits a nail on the head when he notes that he tweets more than he blogs these days, and one potentially troublesome side effect is the [...]

By: with:public – Google Wave as the new live? « Notes on Media

with:public – Google Wave as the new live? « Notes on Media — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:12:46 +0000

[...] fade a bit more. An aspect of also mentioned with respect to Twitter by Jeff Jarvis in his post on The temporary Web in which he states that, “Twitter is temporary. Streams are fleeting. If the future of the [...]

By: Alex Howard

Alex Howard — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:09:47 +0000

Well articulated, Jeff. Most bloggers I read are blogging less and tweeting more, although many still manage to prolific in the longform.

In terms of “losing tweets,” try adding the RSS feed from @jeffjarvis into Google Reader. That should both archive the stream and make it searchable.

Cheers,
Alex

By: Greg Watts

Greg Watts — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:42:20 +0000

It’s good to see that I’m not alone in being unimpressed by Twitter and unmoved by the tub thumping of the Twittergelicals. Twitter is like a potato chip and a blog is like a meal. I prefer a meal.

You know, I was thinking about all these new ways of communicating and I came up with a new one. This works not with a text but with a voice. What if you could actually speak to someone through a plastic handset that you carried in your pocket. That would be a great way to communicate, don’t you think, everyone?

By: Cheryl H

Cheryl H — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:20:43 +0000

Twitter, the timesink of a generation. With your blog I can pull up a chair, sip my coffee and enjoy for awhile, with a tweet it’s done before the page has finished loading. Most of the country now suffers from what my immediate circle is calling “googleitis”, the hours of random aimless netsurfing jumping from one topic to the next without ever really having read anything, you just amuse your eyes for a few seconds.

By: Welcome To The Big Timesuck « Der Feuilletonist

Welcome To The Big Timesuck « Der Feuilletonist — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:06:01 +0000

[...] Schadenfreude grenzt, dass sich nun ausgerechnet Jeff Jarvis darüber auf seinem Buzzmachine-Blog darüber beschwert, dass ihn Twitter so viel Zeit und Konzentration kostet, dass er gar nicht mehr richtig zum Bloggen [...]

By: Liz Lawley

Liz Lawley — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:31:53 +0000

It’s funny…back in 2003, I wrote a similar lament, but about how *blogs* were such a short-term, impermanent form of conversation…

http://mamamusings.net/test/archives/2003/09/21/the_unbearable.php

By: Worte zum Wochenende « Real Virtuality

Worte zum Wochenende « Real Virtuality — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:45:21 +0000

[...] Jarvis , Buzzmachine // The Temporary Web Der Zeitgeist fordert [...]

By: 2366

2366 — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:33:30 +0000

I think about the effect Pokemon has had on the Asian kids I used to teach in Flushing

By: Jeff Jarvis

Jeff Jarvis — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:25:05 +0000

As you wish, lumped you are. You are missing the opportunities and the new realities. Your loss. You also forgeot to sign your name.

By: Terry Heaton

Terry Heaton — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:25:22 +0000

Yes, please, less tweeting and more blogging. I’ve found the SMS output of both you and Jay to be extremely unsatisfying, because if you’ve not read the links, all is missed. I simply do not have the time – nor the wish – to follow the links that fill in the obvious blanks in a 140 character message. My hip replacement bleeds for your sciatica.

By: Greg Watts

Greg Watts — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:01:09 +0000

I can’t see the point of Twitter. The Tweets I’ve read say little of interest. To be honest, I can’t see what you can say of interest in 140 characters. It’s beyond me.

By: Damian

Damian — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:09:26 +0000

>Edunetsys,

Arguably, so are video games, pot and girls/boys. But don’t forget about parents and teachers.

I certainly wouldn’t let my kid use twitter, even if he was smoking pot.

By: Edunetsys

Edunetsys — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:59:49 +0000

Social networking portals are responsible for distracting students from their studies. Twitter, Facebook etc might be great phenomenons but they are responsible for students spending lesser time of their studies.

By: Derek

Derek — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:38:45 +0000

Sorry, Jeff, but you’re coming in too late on this. I teach journalism and my students’ time/interest horizon is now so short that the kind of rigorous, sustained intellectual engagement with an idea (note the singular is intentional here) that is required of in-depth investigative journalism — the long, tedious but immensely important narrative arc of digging, as it were — is hardly in evidence anymore. They’re just not wired for it. I love the Internet: Who would have thought that one day there would be hand-held devices offering us not just instant access to each other, but to much of the knowledge in the world? But more and more, I see its costs, not just intellectually and socially, but even, well, spiritually. The relentless self-reference and narcissicism of the web world (with all due respect, including this site, Jeff); the isolation (are we interacting with other human beings, or a small hunk of silicon and steel?); and the hubris of the Church of Technology, which is rapidly replacing the “church” of culture. All these artifacts of the virtual Id are tempering my love affair with the web. Lump me in with your curmudgeons, who you so contemptuously dismiss as fallen gatekeepers. But the remorseless “oversharing” subculture of the web that you appear to embrace with glee does, after awhile, start to leave an intangible void. (Paradoxically, advertising every stray thought that pops into our heads tends, strangely, to devalue our individuality, making us less — not more — interesting.) Web world turns time into an enemy instead of a friend. And as for Twitter? Like so much else about this revolution, and it is an epochal revolution . . . it’s like empty calories.

By: 05.11.: “…umsonst und draußen im November.” : ByteFM Magazin

05.11.: “…umsonst und draußen im November.” : ByteFM Magazin — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:02:42 +0000

[...] Der amerikanische Journalist Jeff Jarvis diagnostiziert derweil: “Twitter is to web pages what web pages are to old media”. Außerdem findet er es schade, dass er durchs viele Twittern weniger Blogeinträge schreibt. Zu finden in seinem Blog BuzzMachine. [...]

By: Digital Culture Links: November 5th 2009 « Tama Leaver dot Net

Digital Culture Links: November 5th 2009 « Tama Leaver dot Net — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:38:16 +0000

[...] The temporary web [BuzzMachine] – Jeff Jarvis articulates some important concerns about the way Twitter and other social services are contributing to a more temporary, less archivable (or, at least, less searchable in the long term) web: "…search is turning social and our search results are becoming personalized, thus we don’t all share the same search results and it becomes tougher to manage them through SEO. Put these factors together – the social stream – and relationships matter more than pages (but then, they always have). " [...]

By: Tweetlinks, 11-04-09 [A Blog Around The Clock] « Technology Blogs

Tweetlinks, 11-04-09 [A Blog Around The Clock] « Technology Blogs — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:35:48 +0000

[...] The temporary web – “Twitter makes us forget” [...]

By: cm

cm — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:59:47 +0000

Editing still has a role. Its purpose is to distill value from the vast amount of crap out there. It is the difference between data and information.

Tweeting is like talking. There is a whole lot of dross that is not worth remembering or logging. Just as you probably don’t record every bar conversation you have, you don’t need to store every tweet. Anyone that thinks they do is unbelievably vain.

Someone at MIT had the idea for many people to walk around recording their every move to generate podcasts. That failed because the real work in generating a podcast is not just recording the sound but the planning, editing etc that differentiates something worth listening to from sonic rubbish.In other words, the editing.

That’s surely the distinction between journalism and tweeting “OMG did u hear that”.

The effort to do publish a book or even write to the editor is higher than the effort to blog and tweet. Less effort makes it easier to do things, but t also means that people will sound off with less motivation. In other words about increasingly meaningless things. Chances are that an editorial, which takes a reasonable degree of effort to write, is well thought out and well constructed – even if you disagree with the contents. Chances are that a tweet is pure crap.

Nothing of value comes at zero effort . If you really heard something valuable during a bar chat or see a useful tweet worth remembering then write it down somewhere. Edit it into something more valuable and publish it appropriately. Likely something that can’t fit into 140 chars.