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	<title>Comments on: Nose, face, cut, spite: Blocking Google</title>
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		<title>By: Murdoch&#39;s Google Play A Long Term Loser? &#124; The Web</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-408419</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoch&#39;s Google Play A Long Term Loser? &#124; The Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doom-saying prediction for &#116;&#104;&#101; newspaper industry &#97;&#115; &#119;&#101; know it, arguing that &#116;&#104;&#101;&#115;&#101; domains that &#119;&#111;&#117;&#108;&#100; disinclude themselves [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Murdoch's Google Play A Long Term Loser? &#124; The Web</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-406071</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoch's Google Play A Long Term Loser? &#124; The Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] chimed in with his ever-open doom-saying prediction for the newspaper industry as we know it, arguing that these domains that would disinclude themselves don&#8217;t represent enough of the top results [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wonkette</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-405718</link>
		<dc:creator>wonkette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say that Google has painted itself into a corner.  Google is always looking for new &quot;free&quot; content -- content that other people like you and me worked hard to create but Google gets to make  $$$ off of our hard work by selling ads both for and against that content.  
I wish I could do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that Google has painted itself into a corner.  Google is always looking for new &#8220;free&#8221; content &#8212; content that other people like you and me worked hard to create but Google gets to make  $$$ off of our hard work by selling ads both for and against that content.<br />
I wish I could do that.</p>
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		<title>By: wonkette</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-405717</link>
		<dc:creator>wonkette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;when you cut off Google . . . You&#039;re cutting [yourself] off [from] the world you allegedly want to serve.&quot;  True, Jeff. But that&#039;s another one of the unspoken problems here.  So many people use Google to find things that businesses know that if they don&#039;t have placement on Google they will lose those eyeballs/visitors/customers.  And that&#039;s bad for those businesses, not just monetarily but also politically: too many business thus become dependent on chiefly one and only one source of most of their traffic and thus income; Google. It gives Google too much power, albeit power that was granted to it by a popularity contest.  It is also interesting that Google itself makes money off of OTHER people&#039;s content: indexing other people&#039;s websites, books, etc.  And it doesn&#039;t have to pay those people: Why not?  Google wants people to pay them through ads?  That&#039;s why I am glad that sites like Facebook block Google.  Not just a privacy issue but a control issue: I don&#039;t want one service -- whether it be Google, Bing, Yahoo, Facebook, etc. -- to be the one portal through which all eyes and access must go.  I&#039;d rather than many portals to limit the control by any one of them.  And that&#039;s why I hope Facebook keeps growing to overtake Google in reach, probably by the end of 2010 or early 2011.  Two elephants are better than one. I&#039;m so glad that Google didn&#039;t buy Facebook, aren&#039;t you?  (Besides, most FB staff hate Google from what I have been told.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when you cut off Google . . . You&#8217;re cutting [yourself] off [from] the world you allegedly want to serve.&#8221;  True, Jeff. But that&#8217;s another one of the unspoken problems here.  So many people use Google to find things that businesses know that if they don&#8217;t have placement on Google they will lose those eyeballs/visitors/customers.  And that&#8217;s bad for those businesses, not just monetarily but also politically: too many business thus become dependent on chiefly one and only one source of most of their traffic and thus income; Google. It gives Google too much power, albeit power that was granted to it by a popularity contest.  It is also interesting that Google itself makes money off of OTHER people&#8217;s content: indexing other people&#8217;s websites, books, etc.  And it doesn&#8217;t have to pay those people: Why not?  Google wants people to pay them through ads?  That&#8217;s why I am glad that sites like Facebook block Google.  Not just a privacy issue but a control issue: I don&#8217;t want one service &#8212; whether it be Google, Bing, Yahoo, Facebook, etc. &#8212; to be the one portal through which all eyes and access must go.  I&#8217;d rather than many portals to limit the control by any one of them.  And that&#8217;s why I hope Facebook keeps growing to overtake Google in reach, probably by the end of 2010 or early 2011.  Two elephants are better than one. I&#8217;m so glad that Google didn&#8217;t buy Facebook, aren&#8217;t you?  (Besides, most FB staff hate Google from what I have been told.)</p>
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		<title>By: An Outsider's View of the Failing Newspaper Business &#124; The Wings of Wax Project</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-405704</link>
		<dc:creator>An Outsider's View of the Failing Newspaper Business &#124; The Wings of Wax Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Buzz Machine: The Half-Life Of News, Nose, face, cut, spire: Blocking Google [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Will paid be the new free in 2010? &#171; The SiliconANGLE</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-405350</link>
		<dc:creator>Will paid be the new free in 2010? &#171; The SiliconANGLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There are arguments for this move and against it. Some have even deemed the man senile. Is he cutting off his nose to spite his face? Maybe, maybe [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Media after the site &#171; BuzzMachine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-405326</link>
		<dc:creator>Media after the site &#171; BuzzMachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] whatever you want, whatever you allow in &#8211; will be. Just as publishers&#8217; news is only a small portion of the value of what Google returns in search, we mustn&#8217;t be so hubristic to think that the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] whatever you want, whatever you allow in &#8211; will be. Just as publishers&#8217; news is only a small portion of the value of what Google returns in search, we mustn&#8217;t be so hubristic to think that the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Der CIA gesteuerte Medien Dreck in den USA &#171; Balkanblog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-405246</link>
		<dc:creator>Der CIA gesteuerte Medien Dreck in den USA &#171; Balkanblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] preist Jeff Jarvis, der zur Zeit mangels besserer Jobs unter die Blogger gegangen ist, im Interview dann neue erfolgreiche Strategien für den Journalismus an. Lobend erwähnt er [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] preist Jeff Jarvis, der zur Zeit mangels besserer Jobs unter die Blogger gegangen ist, im Interview dann neue erfolgreiche Strategien für den Journalismus an. Lobend erwähnt er [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph Burseg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404973</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph Burseg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff, thank you for mentioning out study! We are very happy to see our data being picked up and discussed! All the best from Hamburg/Germany
Christoph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff, thank you for mentioning out study! We are very happy to see our data being picked up and discussed! All the best from Hamburg/Germany<br />
Christoph</p>
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		<title>By: Could I ever really Bing something? &#171; London Print Project</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404961</link>
		<dc:creator>Could I ever really Bing something? &#171; London Print Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interested in seeing the results of this deal if it goes through. Some bloggers have called this suicide on Murdoch&#8217;s part.  And if it fails, then there&#8217;s always Google to fall back on. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interested in seeing the results of this deal if it goes through. Some bloggers have called this suicide on Murdoch&#8217;s part.  And if it fails, then there&#8217;s always Google to fall back on. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoch madness &#171; BuzzMachine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404891</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoch madness &#171; BuzzMachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this post: WSJ.com would lose 25% of its inbound web traffic, according to Hitwise, which also says that 15% [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FT.com &#124; John Gapper's Business Blog &#124; Murdoch tries to swap Google links for Microsoft cash</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404836</link>
		<dc:creator>FT.com &#124; John Gapper's Business Blog &#124; Murdoch tries to swap Google links for Microsoft cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] suggests one of two things: either, as a lot of digital evangelists have suggested, he is getting old and does not &#8220;get&#8221; the internet, or he has looked at the figures and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andee Sellman, One Sherpa</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404791</link>
		<dc:creator>Andee Sellman, One Sherpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff,
I still really like your thinking even if it has caused a bit of a storm in this post. I guess some of the best comments are those that stirr up emotions and this post seems to have certainly done that.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can always see the cup half empty and others see that very same cup half full.
Given that the business model for news has always included in it the revenue from advertising to make the numbers work it seems to me that talking about making a model stand up on paying for revenue from content ONLY requires consumers to change their value equation significantly.
Given that the internet on masse seems to be going the opposite direction on content value by making so much available for free I can&#039;t work out what type of consumer would support this other way.
I guess it can only be those who love being in a controlled media space and who want to profit from the notion of value being created from scarcity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff,<br />
I still really like your thinking even if it has caused a bit of a storm in this post. I guess some of the best comments are those that stirr up emotions and this post seems to have certainly done that.<br />
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can always see the cup half empty and others see that very same cup half full.<br />
Given that the business model for news has always included in it the revenue from advertising to make the numbers work it seems to me that talking about making a model stand up on paying for revenue from content ONLY requires consumers to change their value equation significantly.<br />
Given that the internet on masse seems to be going the opposite direction on content value by making so much available for free I can&#8217;t work out what type of consumer would support this other way.<br />
I guess it can only be those who love being in a controlled media space and who want to profit from the notion of value being created from scarcity</p>
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		<title>By: Prescott Shibles</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404757</link>
		<dc:creator>Prescott Shibles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran some numbers on this very issue before Jason came out with his take on it.  If they actually licensed the content to Bing.  It factors in lost traffic and advertising dollars lost.  I think it&#039;s an interesting strategy if you can get enough scale in participating publishers.

http://emediavitals.com/article/38/advice-naa-and-mpa-monetize-microsoftyahoo-deal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran some numbers on this very issue before Jason came out with his take on it.  If they actually licensed the content to Bing.  It factors in lost traffic and advertising dollars lost.  I think it&#8217;s an interesting strategy if you can get enough scale in participating publishers.</p>
<p><a href="http://emediavitals.com/article/38/advice-naa-and-mpa-monetize-microsoftyahoo-deal" rel="nofollow">http://emediavitals.com/article/38/advice-naa-and-mpa-monetize-microsoftyahoo-deal</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc's Voice &#187; More November blogging &#8216;09</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404699</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc's Voice &#187; More November blogging &#8216;09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Future</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404696</link>
		<dc:creator>The Future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, boys. You may not recognize me because I ain&#039;t your bitch like you&#039;ve assumed all these years, but I&#039;m the future as it&#039;s really going down. And I just wanna say you&#039;re all wrong. You think you know me, but you don&#039;t. You can&#039;t shape or control me; you lack the power. I&#039;m beyond your sweaty Baby Boom mitts. (And, yes, as the future, Jeff, I understand your generation has such little time remaining to make your permanent mark, after the failure of the Utopia your come-on-people-now-smile-on-your-brothers once promised; the clock tick-tocks slowly, as you know, but it tick-tocks nonetheless -- and it&#039;s one merciless motherfucker, amirite?) You just get to sit back, helplessly, and watch me transpire. Some of you won&#039;t like me -- especially those of you alleged techno-voyants with impressive lungs and the ability to transfer tired marketing vernacular into pseudo-revolutionary piffle, who can&#039;t admit to themselves that they&#039;re less interested in me as I happen than in how they&#039;ll somehow profit from what they hope will happen -- but that&#039;s OK. We&#039;ll all share somehow.

Oh, Jeff: By the by, the past says hello. Says you were great on &quot;Moonlighting.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, boys. You may not recognize me because I ain&#8217;t your bitch like you&#8217;ve assumed all these years, but I&#8217;m the future as it&#8217;s really going down. And I just wanna say you&#8217;re all wrong. You think you know me, but you don&#8217;t. You can&#8217;t shape or control me; you lack the power. I&#8217;m beyond your sweaty Baby Boom mitts. (And, yes, as the future, Jeff, I understand your generation has such little time remaining to make your permanent mark, after the failure of the Utopia your come-on-people-now-smile-on-your-brothers once promised; the clock tick-tocks slowly, as you know, but it tick-tocks nonetheless &#8212; and it&#8217;s one merciless motherfucker, amirite?) You just get to sit back, helplessly, and watch me transpire. Some of you won&#8217;t like me &#8212; especially those of you alleged techno-voyants with impressive lungs and the ability to transfer tired marketing vernacular into pseudo-revolutionary piffle, who can&#8217;t admit to themselves that they&#8217;re less interested in me as I happen than in how they&#8217;ll somehow profit from what they hope will happen &#8212; but that&#8217;s OK. We&#8217;ll all share somehow.</p>
<p>Oh, Jeff: By the by, the past says hello. Says you were great on &#8220;Moonlighting.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Calcanis on how to kill Google &#124; Hypercrit</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404663</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Calcanis on how to kill Google &#124; Hypercrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2: Jeff Jarvis chimes in, of course. Jason Calicanis fan­ta­sizes about Microsoft pay­ing The New York Times to leave [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Evil and evil-er &#171; Son of GeekTalk</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404627</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil and evil-er &#171; Son of GeekTalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and&#160;evil-er As it so often happens with Jeff Jarvis, a well-written article on the spat between News Corp. and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/#comment-404621</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; We’re doing very well – *because we have proprietary information protected by copyright law* in the form of SoundScan data. 

Good for those publications, but most news is fungible and/or not valuable, so what works for them may not work for other publications.

The supporting evidence for Levine&#039;s argument that Jarvis is wrong is that certain publications are successfully using a different strategy than what Levine attributes to Jarvis.  However, that&#039;s relevant only if Jarvis had said that all publications should use that strategy.

Jarvis has pointed out that Levine mischaracterizes Jarvis&#039; advice.  So, I&#039;ll ask the other question - where did Jarvis say that everyone should use the same strategy, regardless of their circumstance?

&gt; Since you ask so many questions about how I make money, what do you do? 

One is &quot;so many&quot;?  In fact, I didn&#039;t even ask what Levine did to make money.  I asked what strategies his publications used.

&gt; Why are you rooting for them to fail?

How about some supporting evidence for that claim?  I&#039;ll happily concede that I&#039;m pointing out why they&#039;re going to fail.  Does Levine really think that that&#039;s the same as rooting for them to fail?

&gt; It’s people like you and Jeff who want to make us sharecroppers, depending on the Great Lord Google for any scrap of traffic it throws us.

Huh?  Who ever said that Google was the only source of traffic.  (In fact, I&#039;m working on a project to generate traffic outside of Google.)

Jarvis and I have both written repeatedly that publications should monetize traffic they get as much as possible, by whatever means works for them, and that they should get as much profitable traffic as they can.

We believe that different things work best for different publications because of the different characteristics of their content.  Does Levine really disagree with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; We’re doing very well – *because we have proprietary information protected by copyright law* in the form of SoundScan data. </p>
<p>Good for those publications, but most news is fungible and/or not valuable, so what works for them may not work for other publications.</p>
<p>The supporting evidence for Levine&#8217;s argument that Jarvis is wrong is that certain publications are successfully using a different strategy than what Levine attributes to Jarvis.  However, that&#8217;s relevant only if Jarvis had said that all publications should use that strategy.</p>
<p>Jarvis has pointed out that Levine mischaracterizes Jarvis&#8217; advice.  So, I&#8217;ll ask the other question &#8211; where did Jarvis say that everyone should use the same strategy, regardless of their circumstance?</p>
<p>&gt; Since you ask so many questions about how I make money, what do you do? </p>
<p>One is &#8220;so many&#8221;?  In fact, I didn&#8217;t even ask what Levine did to make money.  I asked what strategies his publications used.</p>
<p>&gt; Why are you rooting for them to fail?</p>
<p>How about some supporting evidence for that claim?  I&#8217;ll happily concede that I&#8217;m pointing out why they&#8217;re going to fail.  Does Levine really think that that&#8217;s the same as rooting for them to fail?</p>
<p>&gt; It’s people like you and Jeff who want to make us sharecroppers, depending on the Great Lord Google for any scrap of traffic it throws us.</p>
<p>Huh?  Who ever said that Google was the only source of traffic.  (In fact, I&#8217;m working on a project to generate traffic outside of Google.)</p>
<p>Jarvis and I have both written repeatedly that publications should monetize traffic they get as much as possible, by whatever means works for them, and that they should get as much profitable traffic as they can.</p>
<p>We believe that different things work best for different publications because of the different characteristics of their content.  Does Levine really disagree with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Levine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Levine</dc:creator>
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		<description>To reply to what you said below:

&gt;&gt;&gt;I wonder what strategies Levine’s publications use?

As I&#039;ve told you several times, I work for Billboard. We do a little of everything - sell ads, charge quite a bit for subscriptions and run a thriving conference business. We&#039;re doing very well - *because we have proprietary information protected by copyright law* in the form of SoundScan data. 

Since you ask so many questions about how I make money, what do you do? 

&gt;&gt;&gt;To outsiders, many of you folks sound like sharecroppers trying to save the owner’s way of life in hopes that you’ll be allowed to keep living in misery.

It&#039;s people like you and Jeff who want to make us sharecroppers, depending on the Great Lord Google for any scrap of traffic it throws us. That&#039;s a dangerous game. What if Google starts charging for traffic, changes its search terms, enters the journalism business or - more realistic - if online CPM continues to fall as the amount of online ad space continues to expand. 

As Think Differently points out above, depending on &#039;Googelejuice,&#039; simply won&#039;t work for a sizable newsroom. Even Jeff knows this. It&#039;s time for a new strategy. Maybe the WSJ&#039;s will work. I hope it does. Here&#039;s my question: Why are you rooting for them to fail?</description>
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<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;I wonder what strategies Levine’s publications use?</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve told you several times, I work for Billboard. We do a little of everything &#8211; sell ads, charge quite a bit for subscriptions and run a thriving conference business. We&#8217;re doing very well &#8211; *because we have proprietary information protected by copyright law* in the form of SoundScan data. </p>
<p>Since you ask so many questions about how I make money, what do you do? </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;To outsiders, many of you folks sound like sharecroppers trying to save the owner’s way of life in hopes that you’ll be allowed to keep living in misery.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s people like you and Jeff who want to make us sharecroppers, depending on the Great Lord Google for any scrap of traffic it throws us. That&#8217;s a dangerous game. What if Google starts charging for traffic, changes its search terms, enters the journalism business or &#8211; more realistic &#8211; if online CPM continues to fall as the amount of online ad space continues to expand. </p>
<p>As Think Differently points out above, depending on &#8216;Googelejuice,&#8217; simply won&#8217;t work for a sizable newsroom. Even Jeff knows this. It&#8217;s time for a new strategy. Maybe the WSJ&#8217;s will work. I hope it does. Here&#8217;s my question: Why are you rooting for them to fail?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said they are a building block for collaboration and networks.</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
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		<description>@jeff

Please don&#039;t run and hide behind your &quot;professor&quot; persona. What you presented with your new models is just DIY mini-newspapers. Even the participants at the conference said you looked like you were &quot;reinventing the wheel.&quot; To which you responded, &quot;that&#039;s what I do.&quot;

It does appear that you have gone to great effort to promote the idea of bloggers as a replacement for the large newspapers we have today.</description>
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<p>Please don&#8217;t run and hide behind your &#8220;professor&#8221; persona. What you presented with your new models is just DIY mini-newspapers. Even the participants at the conference said you looked like you were &#8220;reinventing the wheel.&#8221; To which you responded, &#8220;that&#8217;s what I do.&#8221;</p>
<p>It does appear that you have gone to great effort to promote the idea of bloggers as a replacement for the large newspapers we have today.</p>
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		<title>By: steve baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve baker</dc:creator>
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		<description>Bloomberg is not a clear-cut example of the value of paid news. What makes their terminals indispensable is up-to-the-second data and a wealth of analytic tools.</description>
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		<title>By: Nils Hitze (kojote) 's status on Tuesday, 17-Nov-09 09:14:10 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nils Hitze (kojote) 's status on Tuesday, 17-Nov-09 09:14:10 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...]  http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/15/nose-face-cut-spite-blocking-google/        a few seconds ago  from seesmic [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; But Jeff keeps giving newspapers advice that benefits Google – not newspapers.

Oh really?  How about some actual numbers?  You know - newspapers that Jarvis said should &quot;go link&quot; and made more money when they went paywall and/or cut-off search engines?

&gt; If a paywall would reduce the WSJ’s traffic by half but raise the revenue-per-reader by a factor of 10, wouldn’t that be a good thing?

If you want to suggest that Jarvis would disagree, some supporting evidence would be nice....

The wisdom of that strategy depends on two numbers.  If their values are different, if the 10 is closer to 1.5 or the half is closer to 90%, or both, it&#039;s a dumb strategy.

For the WSJ, those numbers may be correct.  A couple of newspapers may have numbers for which that would make sense, but most don&#039;t.

&gt; Look at Bloomberg – doing pretty well, last I checked. . . .

Bloomberg and WSJ have good, valuable, and non-fungible content.  Strategies that work for them won&#039;t necessarily work for most journalists because their content doesn&#039;t have all three of three properties.  Jarvis has pointed that out.

And no, changing copyright law won&#039;t change that.

I wonder what strategies Levine&#039;s publications use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; But Jeff keeps giving newspapers advice that benefits Google – not newspapers.</p>
<p>Oh really?  How about some actual numbers?  You know &#8211; newspapers that Jarvis said should &#8220;go link&#8221; and made more money when they went paywall and/or cut-off search engines?</p>
<p>&gt; If a paywall would reduce the WSJ’s traffic by half but raise the revenue-per-reader by a factor of 10, wouldn’t that be a good thing?</p>
<p>If you want to suggest that Jarvis would disagree, some supporting evidence would be nice&#8230;.</p>
<p>The wisdom of that strategy depends on two numbers.  If their values are different, if the 10 is closer to 1.5 or the half is closer to 90%, or both, it&#8217;s a dumb strategy.</p>
<p>For the WSJ, those numbers may be correct.  A couple of newspapers may have numbers for which that would make sense, but most don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&gt; Look at Bloomberg – doing pretty well, last I checked. . . .</p>
<p>Bloomberg and WSJ have good, valuable, and non-fungible content.  Strategies that work for them won&#8217;t necessarily work for most journalists because their content doesn&#8217;t have all three of three properties.  Jarvis has pointed that out.</p>
<p>And no, changing copyright law won&#8217;t change that.</p>
<p>I wonder what strategies Levine&#8217;s publications use?</p>
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