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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-469035</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ste??a [??cs]  Posted on     I&#8217;m not a big fan of Kantrell Ann but I think thatChantal Ann, Katia Ann, or Karina Ann sound grgoeous!Hm, how about these exotic names for girls:Marit &#8211; /muh-REET/ &#8211; means pearlKatia &#8211; /kat-YA/ &#8211; means pureNaira &#8211; /nay-RAH/ &#8211; means large eyesVasara &#8211; /vuh-suh-RA/ &#8211; means summerKaja &#8211; /kah-YAH/ &#8211; means echoIsla &#8211; /EYE-lah/ &#8211; means beautiful paradiseLaila &#8211; /lay-luh/ (:</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Newmark on How Facebook Could Advance a New Unit of Reporting &#124; Tech Life</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-414728</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Newmark on How Facebook Could Advance a New Unit of Reporting &#124; Tech Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 01:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The general observation has already been made, recently, when Jeff Jarvis built on a deep observation from Marissa Mayer at Google, in Buzzmachine: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Newmark: Facebook advances the new unit of reporting? &#171; Read NEWS</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-414479</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Newmark: Facebook advances the new unit of reporting? &#171; Read NEWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 13:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The general observation has already been made, recently, when not long ago, Jeff Jarvis built on a deep observation from Marissa Mayer at Google, in Buzzmachine. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The New York Times and the Cockeyed Economics of Metering Reading &#124; Media and Tech</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-407465</link>
		<dc:creator>The New York Times and the Cockeyed Economics of Metering Reading &#124; Media and Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which argues that readers who come via links from search and aggregators and bloggers and such are worthless because they&#8217;re not local and they don&#8217;t stay; they&#8217;re one-click-wonders. The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] which argues that readers who come via links from search and aggregators and bloggers and such are worthless because they&#8217;re not local and they don&#8217;t stay; they&#8217;re one-click-wonders. The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The cockeyed economics of metering reading &#171; BuzzMachine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-407442</link>
		<dc:creator>The cockeyed economics of metering reading &#171; BuzzMachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which argues that readers who come via links from search and aggregators and bloggers and such are worthless because they&#8217;re not local and they don&#8217;t stay; they&#8217;re one-click-wonders. The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] which argues that readers who come via links from search and aggregators and bloggers and such are worthless because they&#8217;re not local and they don&#8217;t stay; they&#8217;re one-click-wonders. The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Tweet: Your Personal Networking Assistant!</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-406522</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Tweet: Your Personal Networking Assistant!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a career in journalism? &#124; New Media Journalist - Social Media Consultant             7  Likes     Worthless readers &#171; BuzzMachine             6  Likes     Mark Pittman, Reporter Who Foresaw Subprime Crisis, Dies at 52 - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a career in journalism? | New Media Journalist &#8211; Social Media Consultant             7  Likes     Worthless readers &laquo; BuzzMachine             6  Likes     Mark Pittman, Reporter Who Foresaw Subprime Crisis, Dies at 52 &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-12-07 &#171; Glenna DeRoy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405757</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-12-07 &#171; Glenna DeRoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Worthless readers « BuzzMachine (tags: businessmodels onlinejournalism) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: This week in media musings: More Murdoch fallout, and Dallas tears down that wall &#124; Mark Coddington</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405675</link>
		<dc:creator>This week in media musings: More Murdoch fallout, and Dallas tears down that wall &#124; Mark Coddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on whether infrequent visitors to news sites through Google News are worth anything. Sullivan and Jeff Jarvis say yes, and news orgs are blowing an opportunity; Steve Yelvington says no, not [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 6 tips van mediagoeroe Jeff Jarvis &#171; Music Business Concepts</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405490</link>
		<dc:creator>6 tips van mediagoeroe Jeff Jarvis &#171; Music Business Concepts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tips van mediagoeroe Jeff&#160;Jarvis   Mediagoeroe Jeff Jarvis komt weer naar Nederland. Dat wil zeggen, hij zal via Skype aanwezig zijn tijdens de conferentie [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Translation Exchange</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405467</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Translation Exchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] By marcherman  It&#8217;s been useful to follow the latest volleys in the discussion about the future of the &#8220;article&#8221; news format. The idea being that the article is dead. As summarized by Jeff Jarvis at Buzzmachine: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] By marcherman  It&#8217;s been useful to follow the latest volleys in the discussion about the future of the &#8220;article&#8221; news format. The idea being that the article is dead. As summarized by Jeff Jarvis at Buzzmachine: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405460</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about ad blockers?

Jeff&#039;s and other&#039;s entire model is based on the premise that people will always choose to receive the ads. Digital information is inherently filterable according to a browser user&#039;s preferences as long as users have control over their browser instead of the browser controlling them. What happens when the majority, or even a sizable minority, of users decide they don&#039;t want to see the ads that can be filtered?

Yes, you can enmesh the ads more confusingly into the media, but this is costly and forgoes the use of distributed ad network markets. If you&#039;ve ever listened to Eben Moglen he talks about the probability of more people choosing not to see the ads by installing ad blockers on their browsers.

As long as people have the freedom to control their computers, they don&#039;t have to see the ads if they don&#039;t want to. I think eventually most people won&#039;t want to.</description>
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<p>Jeff&#8217;s and other&#8217;s entire model is based on the premise that people will always choose to receive the ads. Digital information is inherently filterable according to a browser user&#8217;s preferences as long as users have control over their browser instead of the browser controlling them. What happens when the majority, or even a sizable minority, of users decide they don&#8217;t want to see the ads that can be filtered?</p>
<p>Yes, you can enmesh the ads more confusingly into the media, but this is costly and forgoes the use of distributed ad network markets. If you&#8217;ve ever listened to Eben Moglen he talks about the probability of more people choosing not to see the ads by installing ad blockers on their browsers.</p>
<p>As long as people have the freedom to control their computers, they don&#8217;t have to see the ads if they don&#8217;t want to. I think eventually most people won&#8217;t want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Newmark: One step towards fixing news media (via Jeff Jarvis, Marissa Mayer) &#124; News from: The Huffington Post - Breaking News and Opinion</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405419</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Newmark: One step towards fixing news media (via Jeff Jarvis, Marissa Mayer) &#124; News from: The Huffington Post - Breaking News and Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Craig Newmark: One step towards fixing news media (via Jeff Jarvis, Marissa Mayer)           Hey, Jeff Jarvis has something big here at Buzzmachine. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: All the News That&#8217;s Fit to Bing &#171; DigiDave &#8211; Journalism is a Process, Not a Product</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405391</link>
		<dc:creator>All the News That&#8217;s Fit to Bing &#171; DigiDave &#8211; Journalism is a Process, Not a Product</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Worthless readers One response publishers make to my argument that Google drives value to them and their content in the link economy is that the readers Google sends are worthless. Boss Jarvis gives six ideas on how publishers can make their readers full of worth [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Catching an Academic Google Wave? &#124; Old Roads Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405309</link>
		<dc:creator>Catching an Academic Google Wave? &#124; Old Roads Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the much more public and lively debates swirling around the place of journalism today. Here&#8217;s Jeff Jarvis talking about a possible change to journalism: 2. Context. I want to suggest abandoning the article [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the much more public and lively debates swirling around the place of journalism today. Here&#8217;s Jeff Jarvis talking about a possible change to journalism: 2. Context. I want to suggest abandoning the article [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Links #68: The One About Diet Promises &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405294</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool Links #68: The One About Diet Promises &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; There have been a lot of stories lately about Rupert Murdoch and his complaining about worthless readers.  I am at the other end of the spectrum.  We have a ton of people who &#8220;just look&#8221; at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Google, News Corp. and Bing: Douglas Rushkoff&#8217;s muddled moral war. &#124; Quiet Babylon</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405201</link>
		<dc:creator>Google, News Corp. and Bing: Douglas Rushkoff&#8217;s muddled moral war. &#124; Quiet Babylon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] possible, and make money from that. In that world, Google is free advertising for your publication. It&#8217;s lead generation. Guess what happens when you do a Google search for &#8220;Wall Street Journal&#8221;. You get an [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] possible, and make money from that. In that world, Google is free advertising for your publication. It&#8217;s lead generation. Guess what happens when you do a Google search for &#8220;Wall Street Journal&#8221;. You get an [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405185</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; And yet, our kind of focused, hyperlocal news seems to be what the web pundits are recommending for the survival of news, at the same time they say it should all remain free.

I don&#039;t know about &quot;the web pundits&quot;, but Jarvis has never said that all news should be free.  He has pointed out that a lot of news is competing with free, which is a very different thing.

Jarvis is all about monetizing as much as possible in different circumstances.  He points out that what works in one circumstance won&#039;t necessarily work in another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; And yet, our kind of focused, hyperlocal news seems to be what the web pundits are recommending for the survival of news, at the same time they say it should all remain free.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about &#8220;the web pundits&#8221;, but Jarvis has never said that all news should be free.  He has pointed out that a lot of news is competing with free, which is a very different thing.</p>
<p>Jarvis is all about monetizing as much as possible in different circumstances.  He points out that what works in one circumstance won&#8217;t necessarily work in another.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405176</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s where market forces should be fascinating. Murdoch&#039;s got more money than any of us weighing in here, and he&#039;s had success. I am amazed how the web has both expanded the reach of news and diluted it&#039;s value for news brands. How often do we see amazing scoops anymore? Exclusives and truly original reportage have a place and value. I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s behind a &quot;pay wall,&quot; but let&#039;s trust the law of supply and demand in our free-market economy. We&#039;ll know soon enough if there&#039;s a consumer appetite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s where market forces should be fascinating. Murdoch&#8217;s got more money than any of us weighing in here, and he&#8217;s had success. I am amazed how the web has both expanded the reach of news and diluted it&#8217;s value for news brands. How often do we see amazing scoops anymore? Exclusives and truly original reportage have a place and value. I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s behind a &#8220;pay wall,&#8221; but let&#8217;s trust the law of supply and demand in our free-market economy. We&#8217;ll know soon enough if there&#8217;s a consumer appetite.</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; links for 2009-11-28&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405168</link>
		<dc:creator>&#160; links for 2009-11-28&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Worthless readers « BuzzMachine &quot;Context. I want to suggest abandoning the article for the constantly updated topic page (a la Wave). The problem with an article online is that it has a short half life and gathers few links and little ongoing attention and thus Googlejuice. It’s for this reason that Google’s Marissa Mayer has been advising publishers to move past the article to the topic. Abandoning the article for some living, breathing news beast yet to be defined may be a bit too radical for today’s publishers. So instead, I suggest, at least place the article into a space with broader context – archives, quotes, photos, links, discussion, wikified knowledge about the topic, feeds of updates; make the article a gateway to anything more you’d want on its subjects. Daylife (where I’m a partner) is working on something like that.&quot; (tags: news+biz advertising search business+models strategy writing Google-Wave editing context) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Worthless readers « BuzzMachine &quot;Context. I want to suggest abandoning the article for the constantly updated topic page (a la Wave). The problem with an article online is that it has a short half life and gathers few links and little ongoing attention and thus Googlejuice. It’s for this reason that Google’s Marissa Mayer has been advising publishers to move past the article to the topic. Abandoning the article for some living, breathing news beast yet to be defined may be a bit too radical for today’s publishers. So instead, I suggest, at least place the article into a space with broader context – archives, quotes, photos, links, discussion, wikified knowledge about the topic, feeds of updates; make the article a gateway to anything more you’d want on its subjects. Daylife (where I’m a partner) is working on something like that.&quot; (tags: news+biz advertising search business+models strategy writing Google-Wave editing context) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Owens</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405145</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be lazy in not providing links, but the eye track studies are easily found via Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be lazy in not providing links, but the eye track studies are easily found via Google.</p>
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		<title>By: jtrigsby</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/27/worthless-readers/#comment-405143</link>
		<dc:creator>jtrigsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If traffic doesn&#039;t convert, its the site&#039;s fault...period. Maybe the better question is what constitutes a conversion? An ad click? A &quot;subscription&quot;? A return visit? Maybe we need to revisit the goals associated with getting traffic to the site.

There&#039;s a bigger problem here as well, one that lies at the very heart of how we use the Internet. Our use of the web is migrating away from sites as a destination toward sites as a source to be aggregated into our hyper-personal stream. As that happens, relying on on-site ads to generate revenue will be a big time fail... because we won&#039;t be going to the site.... unless.... there is a compelling reason to visit the site. 

As much as I enjoy Jeff&#039;s posts, I usually only visit the site when I want to comment. Otherwise, I read the posts in Google reader. In the case of news, I actually prefer Yahoo! news. To the extent I can get all the info I need from the Yahoo page, I won&#039;t go to the source... and here I can understand Murdoch&#039;s problem. Of course his solution is crazy, but...

Short of finding a way to monetize the aggregated content, the real solution to the news problem has to include added value. What is the added value the reader receives by reading the content on &quot;my&quot; site? If I can&#039;t create value, what claim do I have to the loyalty of the readers? Its kind of like running off the cab driver that&#039;s bringing all the customers to your store, because the customers won&#039;t buy once they&#039;re in the door. Who&#039;s fault is that?

Bottom line, create compelling content and add value to the reader&#039;s experience... and quit whining... its annoying.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If traffic doesn&#8217;t convert, its the site&#8217;s fault&#8230;period. Maybe the better question is what constitutes a conversion? An ad click? A &#8220;subscription&#8221;? A return visit? Maybe we need to revisit the goals associated with getting traffic to the site.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a bigger problem here as well, one that lies at the very heart of how we use the Internet. Our use of the web is migrating away from sites as a destination toward sites as a source to be aggregated into our hyper-personal stream. As that happens, relying on on-site ads to generate revenue will be a big time fail&#8230; because we won&#8217;t be going to the site&#8230;. unless&#8230;. there is a compelling reason to visit the site. </p>
<p>As much as I enjoy Jeff&#8217;s posts, I usually only visit the site when I want to comment. Otherwise, I read the posts in Google reader. In the case of news, I actually prefer Yahoo! news. To the extent I can get all the info I need from the Yahoo page, I won&#8217;t go to the source&#8230; and here I can understand Murdoch&#8217;s problem. Of course his solution is crazy, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Short of finding a way to monetize the aggregated content, the real solution to the news problem has to include added value. What is the added value the reader receives by reading the content on &#8220;my&#8221; site? If I can&#8217;t create value, what claim do I have to the loyalty of the readers? Its kind of like running off the cab driver that&#8217;s bringing all the customers to your store, because the customers won&#8217;t buy once they&#8217;re in the door. Who&#8217;s fault is that?</p>
<p>Bottom line, create compelling content and add value to the reader&#8217;s experience&#8230; and quit whining&#8230; its annoying.</p>
<p>jtrigsby</p>
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		<title>By: Isn&#8217;t it nice to know that news editors think we&#8217;re useless asshats &#124; Breaking News Live</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isn&#8217;t it nice to know that news editors think we&#8217;re useless asshats &#124; Breaking News Live</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Isn&#8217;t it nice to know that news editors think we&#8217;re useless asshats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AnnB</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I learned at About.com, where I consulted, that the most effective means of driving more traffic into the site, rather than away, was relevant links.&quot;

Isn&#039;t it kind of strange to hold up About.com as a sight that attracts and keeps readers when you&#039;ve previously said that 80% of its visitors come from search? That would seem to indicate that readers do not return to About.com, which certainly fits with my anecdotal knowledge. In fact, once bitten by an About.com site, most people go out of their way to avoid them.

On top of this, About.com&#039;s main goal is to get readers to click on expensive ads so that it earns money. In fact, they have thousands, maybe tens of thousands of pages that are just ads, designed purely to cause confusion and clicks.

About.com owes its success to date to figuring out search and the web and &quot;SEO&quot; earlier than everyone else but it&#039;s unlikely it will be around in its present form much longer. And it&#039;s certainly not a model for others to follow.

As for the &quot;topic&quot; theory of news, that sounds well and good, and yes topic pages are good for some subjects but, in the end, daily news is fleeting and it&#039;s different from encyclopedic articles even those about breaking stories.

Even if  Wikipedia sometimes does a better job at synthesizing and aggregating a breaking news story than news organizations, it uses the reporting of news organizations to do this. Take a look, for example, at its new Climategate page. It&#039;s a good synthesis of the type that news organizations aren&#039;t doing, but its drawing on the actual reporting done by journalists as well as writing by scientists and experts. 

Also, as a news junkie, I&#039;ve always found Wikipedia&#039;s breaking news coverage too slow. It reminds me of a newsweekly -- too little, too late.

Also, what Howard and Patricia said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I learned at About.com, where I consulted, that the most effective means of driving more traffic into the site, rather than away, was relevant links.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it kind of strange to hold up About.com as a sight that attracts and keeps readers when you&#8217;ve previously said that 80% of its visitors come from search? That would seem to indicate that readers do not return to About.com, which certainly fits with my anecdotal knowledge. In fact, once bitten by an About.com site, most people go out of their way to avoid them.</p>
<p>On top of this, About.com&#8217;s main goal is to get readers to click on expensive ads so that it earns money. In fact, they have thousands, maybe tens of thousands of pages that are just ads, designed purely to cause confusion and clicks.</p>
<p>About.com owes its success to date to figuring out search and the web and &#8220;SEO&#8221; earlier than everyone else but it&#8217;s unlikely it will be around in its present form much longer. And it&#8217;s certainly not a model for others to follow.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;topic&#8221; theory of news, that sounds well and good, and yes topic pages are good for some subjects but, in the end, daily news is fleeting and it&#8217;s different from encyclopedic articles even those about breaking stories.</p>
<p>Even if  Wikipedia sometimes does a better job at synthesizing and aggregating a breaking news story than news organizations, it uses the reporting of news organizations to do this. Take a look, for example, at its new Climategate page. It&#8217;s a good synthesis of the type that news organizations aren&#8217;t doing, but its drawing on the actual reporting done by journalists as well as writing by scientists and experts. </p>
<p>Also, as a news junkie, I&#8217;ve always found Wikipedia&#8217;s breaking news coverage too slow. It reminds me of a newsweekly &#8212; too little, too late.</p>
<p>Also, what Howard and Patricia said.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As silly as it seems to me to call any reader worthless, we do have to recognize the problem of diminishing returns. At some point, a publisher has to look at ROI when deciding where to put the effort. And as a very small town publisher whose online content can&#039;t be found anywhere else, I can tell you Google&#039;s contribution to our traffic is close to imperceptible.
And yet, our kind of focused, hyperlocal news seems to be what the web pundits are recommending for the survival of news, at the same time they say it should all remain free. It&#039;s illogical and contradictory; the numbers don&#039;t support it under any current model I&#039;ve seen, unless you count the ones where we become the online catalogues, skimming a little off each of our ad customers&#039; transactions.
That&#039;s IT! Leave Google alone, newspapers; let&#039;s all attack Amazon instead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As silly as it seems to me to call any reader worthless, we do have to recognize the problem of diminishing returns. At some point, a publisher has to look at ROI when deciding where to put the effort. And as a very small town publisher whose online content can&#8217;t be found anywhere else, I can tell you Google&#8217;s contribution to our traffic is close to imperceptible.<br />
And yet, our kind of focused, hyperlocal news seems to be what the web pundits are recommending for the survival of news, at the same time they say it should all remain free. It&#8217;s illogical and contradictory; the numbers don&#8217;t support it under any current model I&#8217;ve seen, unless you count the ones where we become the online catalogues, skimming a little off each of our ad customers&#8217; transactions.<br />
That&#8217;s IT! Leave Google alone, newspapers; let&#8217;s all attack Amazon instead!</p>
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