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		<title>By: odrjqel</title>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
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		<description>Thank you wonderful comments.</description>
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		<title>By: Arnavutköy evden eve Nakliyat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnavutköy evden eve Nakliyat</dc:creator>
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		<description>is well organized, thank you for enlightening comments.</description>
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		<title>By: Link Love Monthly: November — SocialFish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link Love Monthly: November — SocialFish</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Slobodan Vladuši? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Free: The Future of a Radical Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slobodan Vladuši? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Free: The Future of a Radical Price</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis on Twitter: “Here I specifically declare myself not a member of the information-wants-to-be-free [...]</description>
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		<title>By: StevieB&#8217;s Shared Items &#8211; November 29, 2009 &#124; LostInCyberspace</title>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; [Google] wants to organize the content not host it or own it.

Not so fast.  Google is doing a lot of content hosting these days.  It owns Blogger, Picasa, GMail, Docs, Appengine, Apps, Sites, Groups, Code, YouTube, Knol, Earth, Patents, and there&#039;s something that may be even bigger that I can&#039;t find right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; [Google] wants to organize the content not host it or own it.</p>
<p>Not so fast.  Google is doing a lot of content hosting these days.  It owns Blogger, Picasa, GMail, Docs, Appengine, Apps, Sites, Groups, Code, YouTube, Knol, Earth, Patents, and there&#8217;s something that may be even bigger that I can&#8217;t find right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; This weekend, the Times reported that 36 million people in this country were on food stamps. Jeff, was that news in your stream? 

Umm, that&#039;s not news.  There&#039;s nothing new about that number.  It&#039;s also not something that was previously unknown.

This is an example of where the &quot;thumb on the scale&quot; hurts standard news organizations, such as the NYT.  The Times may report the number, but you can be sure that whatever they say in addition will not be useful in doing something good about the number.  In fact, it&#039;s likely that whatever they enable will make things worse.  It&#039;s almost like they stage car wrecks to have something to report about.

I&#039;d like to think that this is a consequence of &quot;make a difference&quot; news, which is absurd because journalists at best know how to write, they don&#039;t know how to make things better.  However, it may be a more fundamental problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; This weekend, the Times reported that 36 million people in this country were on food stamps. Jeff, was that news in your stream? </p>
<p>Umm, that&#8217;s not news.  There&#8217;s nothing new about that number.  It&#8217;s also not something that was previously unknown.</p>
<p>This is an example of where the &#8220;thumb on the scale&#8221; hurts standard news organizations, such as the NYT.  The Times may report the number, but you can be sure that whatever they say in addition will not be useful in doing something good about the number.  In fact, it&#8217;s likely that whatever they enable will make things worse.  It&#8217;s almost like they stage car wrecks to have something to report about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think that this is a consequence of &#8220;make a difference&#8221; news, which is absurd because journalists at best know how to write, they don&#8217;t know how to make things better.  However, it may be a more fundamental problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405430</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Subject matter no longer gets rated by its bearing on important issues (democracy,…) but rather by its fashion value. Less about real social issues and more celeb gossip.

The author is pining for a past that never was.

Journalism was never about important issues.  It was about what journalists thought was important.

And no, they weren&#039;t saints.  They had their thumb on the scale.

And they lied about it, lies that modern journalists repeat, destroying their own credibility.

If you want journalism to be seen as credible, it has to actually be credible.

If you&#039;re going to serve fluff, don&#039;t be surprised when folks pick better fluff (Britney Spears gossip anyone).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Subject matter no longer gets rated by its bearing on important issues (democracy,…) but rather by its fashion value. Less about real social issues and more celeb gossip.</p>
<p>The author is pining for a past that never was.</p>
<p>Journalism was never about important issues.  It was about what journalists thought was important.</p>
<p>And no, they weren&#8217;t saints.  They had their thumb on the scale.</p>
<p>And they lied about it, lies that modern journalists repeat, destroying their own credibility.</p>
<p>If you want journalism to be seen as credible, it has to actually be credible.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to serve fluff, don&#8217;t be surprised when folks pick better fluff (Britney Spears gossip anyone).</p>
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		<title>By: Compare/contrast &#171; BuzzMachine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Compare/contrast &#171; BuzzMachine</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] the way, I&#8217;m not part of that crowd. Jay Rosen would challenge Hinton for a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405389</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Jarvis has tenure?! Holy crap!</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Let them eat Googlejuice! 

awesome.</description>
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<p>awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405383</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; Let them eat Googlejuice!

awesome</description>
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<p>awesome</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Levine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405378</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; Crowdsourced “tweeters” can tell you that the bridge collapsed faster and more accurately than the New York Times, but they can’t ask probing questions of the local government officials . . .My fear is that true investigative reporting will wind up behind the pay walls, given its higher overhead, and that it will eventually die out because the majority of people will simply do without it

This is what&#039;s truly offensive about the  news-will-find-me attitude promoted by the online world. (See Jeff&#039;s new post: &quot;Media has to come to us. Media must insinuate itself into our streams.&quot;) The idea that being a citizen in a democracy comes without any kind of responsibility, that news is something that has to be marketed to you like breakfast cereal or liquid Tide. 

This weekend, the Times reported that 36 million people in this country were on food stamps. Jeff, was that news in your stream? (Before I read the article it wasn&#039;t in mine.) Did you blame this, too, on unions? Let them eat Googlejuice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Crowdsourced “tweeters” can tell you that the bridge collapsed faster and more accurately than the New York Times, but they can’t ask probing questions of the local government officials . . .My fear is that true investigative reporting will wind up behind the pay walls, given its higher overhead, and that it will eventually die out because the majority of people will simply do without it</p>
<p>This is what&#8217;s truly offensive about the  news-will-find-me attitude promoted by the online world. (See Jeff&#8217;s new post: &#8220;Media has to come to us. Media must insinuate itself into our streams.&#8221;) The idea that being a citizen in a democracy comes without any kind of responsibility, that news is something that has to be marketed to you like breakfast cereal or liquid Tide. </p>
<p>This weekend, the Times reported that 36 million people in this country were on food stamps. Jeff, was that news in your stream? (Before I read the article it wasn&#8217;t in mine.) Did you blame this, too, on unions? Let them eat Googlejuice!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Greenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405363</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Greenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the double-post.  I meant to respond to this discussion, but the comment feed put my comment way up in the middle of a previous discussion:

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Another piece of the puzzle: news is not one of life’s basic needs (like food and water). If people consume it free &amp; easy today, and it becomes more expensive/difficult tomorrow, many of them will simply do without.

I’m not talking about breaking news or commodity news (to borrow jtrigsby’s taxonomy), I’m talking about Features/Analysis. The big media houses of today (e.g., Murdoch) have the resources, reputations, and credentials to get at more of the story than the current digital resources. Crowdsourced “tweeters” can tell you that the bridge collapsed faster and more accurately than the New York Times, but they can’t ask probing questions of the local government officials to find out that someone’s been taking kickbacks to contract out maintenance to a sub-standard vendor.

My fear is that true investigative reporting will wind up behind the pay walls, given its higher overhead, and that it will eventually die out because the majority of people will simply do without it – choosing instead to click by on the breaking &amp; commodity news that’s easy to search for &amp; retrieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the double-post.  I meant to respond to this discussion, but the comment feed put my comment way up in the middle of a previous discussion:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Another piece of the puzzle: news is not one of life’s basic needs (like food and water). If people consume it free &amp; easy today, and it becomes more expensive/difficult tomorrow, many of them will simply do without.</p>
<p>I’m not talking about breaking news or commodity news (to borrow jtrigsby’s taxonomy), I’m talking about Features/Analysis. The big media houses of today (e.g., Murdoch) have the resources, reputations, and credentials to get at more of the story than the current digital resources. Crowdsourced “tweeters” can tell you that the bridge collapsed faster and more accurately than the New York Times, but they can’t ask probing questions of the local government officials to find out that someone’s been taking kickbacks to contract out maintenance to a sub-standard vendor.</p>
<p>My fear is that true investigative reporting will wind up behind the pay walls, given its higher overhead, and that it will eventually die out because the majority of people will simply do without it – choosing instead to click by on the breaking &amp; commodity news that’s easy to search for &amp; retrieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Greenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405361</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Greenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another piece of the puzzle:  news is not one of life&#039;s basic needs (like food and water).  If people consume it free &amp; easy today, and it becomes more expensive/difficult tomorrow, many of them will simply do without.

I&#039;m not talking about breaking news or commodity news (to borrow jtrigsby&#039;s taxonomy), I&#039;m talking about Features/Analysis.  The big media houses of today (e.g., Murdoch) have the resources, reputations, and credentials to get at more of the story than the current digital resources.  Crowdsourced &quot;tweeters&quot; can tell you that the bridge collapsed faster and more accurately than the New York Times, but they can&#039;t ask probing questions of the local government officials to find out that someone&#039;s been taking kickbacks to contract out maintenance to a sub-standard vendor.

My fear is that true investigative reporting will wind up behind the pay walls, given its higher overhead, and that it will eventually die out because the majority of people will simply do without it - choosing instead to click by on the breaking &amp; commodity news that&#039;s easy to search for &amp; retrieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another piece of the puzzle:  news is not one of life&#8217;s basic needs (like food and water).  If people consume it free &amp; easy today, and it becomes more expensive/difficult tomorrow, many of them will simply do without.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about breaking news or commodity news (to borrow jtrigsby&#8217;s taxonomy), I&#8217;m talking about Features/Analysis.  The big media houses of today (e.g., Murdoch) have the resources, reputations, and credentials to get at more of the story than the current digital resources.  Crowdsourced &#8220;tweeters&#8221; can tell you that the bridge collapsed faster and more accurately than the New York Times, but they can&#8217;t ask probing questions of the local government officials to find out that someone&#8217;s been taking kickbacks to contract out maintenance to a sub-standard vendor.</p>
<p>My fear is that true investigative reporting will wind up behind the pay walls, given its higher overhead, and that it will eventually die out because the majority of people will simply do without it &#8211; choosing instead to click by on the breaking &amp; commodity news that&#8217;s easy to search for &amp; retrieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wyman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405358</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Wyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Levine wrote:
&quot;I suspect the smart strategy is to do whatever the competition doesn’t.&quot;

Innovation and creativity has *always* been the smart strategy. Competition is for suckers and those not smart enough to seek a path not already taken. Smart people don&#039;t compete, they offer alternatives and create new markets. 
(Note: Do not be fooled into thinking that there is wisdom in word games that claim that offering alternatives is a form of competition...)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Levine wrote:<br />
&#8220;I suspect the smart strategy is to do whatever the competition doesn’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Innovation and creativity has *always* been the smart strategy. Competition is for suckers and those not smart enough to seek a path not already taken. Smart people don&#8217;t compete, they offer alternatives and create new markets.<br />
(Note: Do not be fooled into thinking that there is wisdom in word games that claim that offering alternatives is a form of competition&#8230;)</p>
<p>bob wyman</p>
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		<title>By: The new divide: Walled v. open « BuzzMachine &#124; Wordpress AutoBlogger</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405356</link>
		<dc:creator>The new divide: Walled v. open « BuzzMachine &#124; Wordpress AutoBlogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read this article: The new divide: Walled v. open « BuzzMachine [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Levine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405343</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. But I think you&#039;re making two assumptions that may not hold up. 

First, people _are_ paying for news. Many pay for the WSJ already. Many more pay for physical papers. 

Second, you&#039;re assuming that the quality of free news remains stable. Right now, as you point out, most people would rather read the NY Times for free than the Wall Street Journal for money. OK, fair enough. But that could change if the Times, under financial pressure, cuts its budget, and thus its staff, and thus the value of its reporting. Then, would most people read an NY Times that&#039;s not as good as today&#039;s, or would they rather read the Wall Street Journal for money? That&#039;s a far different question.

I don&#039;t have the answer, but I suspect the smart strategy is to do whatever the competition doesn&#039;t. If several big news outlets end up giving away decent but essentially unambitious news - which is what any paper that&#039;s free online is headed toward - why compete with them when you could have a premium market to yourself? Many strategies that don&#039;t look smart in the abstract are brilliant in the context of a market. In the abstract, should HBO have charged for television when everyone else offered it for free? Maybe not. But since it offers a differentiated good - one that will be increasingly differentiated as TV budgets decline - this works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. But I think you&#8217;re making two assumptions that may not hold up. </p>
<p>First, people _are_ paying for news. Many pay for the WSJ already. Many more pay for physical papers. </p>
<p>Second, you&#8217;re assuming that the quality of free news remains stable. Right now, as you point out, most people would rather read the NY Times for free than the Wall Street Journal for money. OK, fair enough. But that could change if the Times, under financial pressure, cuts its budget, and thus its staff, and thus the value of its reporting. Then, would most people read an NY Times that&#8217;s not as good as today&#8217;s, or would they rather read the Wall Street Journal for money? That&#8217;s a far different question.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the answer, but I suspect the smart strategy is to do whatever the competition doesn&#8217;t. If several big news outlets end up giving away decent but essentially unambitious news &#8211; which is what any paper that&#8217;s free online is headed toward &#8211; why compete with them when you could have a premium market to yourself? Many strategies that don&#8217;t look smart in the abstract are brilliant in the context of a market. In the abstract, should HBO have charged for television when everyone else offered it for free? Maybe not. But since it offers a differentiated good &#8211; one that will be increasingly differentiated as TV budgets decline &#8211; this works.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Levitt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405335</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Levitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the problem: There&#039;s a widespread assumption that if advertising will not, in fact, support a major newsgathering operation, the solution is to charge for a major newsgathering operation. We must do something; charging is something; therefore we must do it.

But we&#039;ve seen over and over that most people won&#039;t pay when they can get &quot;good enough&quot; for free. Free newsgathering seems to be good enough.  Maybe that&#039;s because newspapers have already raced to the bottom; maybe if the business/editorial wall had stayed stronger, newspapers would have a more compelling quality argument. But they don&#039;t.

Charging is something, but it won&#039;t work either.  That&#039;s the real lesson.  Maybe Jeff&#039;s wrong, and the solution can&#039;t be found in the link economy, but again - that doesn&#039;t mean charging&#039;s the right answer either. If you have elite, compelling content that doesn&#039;t get attention and inbound links, nobody&#039;s going to read it. How many non-professionals do you really think sign up for Elsevier, or Lexis/Nexis, or the WSJ, or Gartner to read one article? Articles aren&#039;t iPhone apps.  I read them and I&#039;m done with them. They&#039;re pure, transient low-value impulse buys - and if I can&#039;t read your article for free, I can usually read someone else&#039;s that&#039;s nearly as informative.

Look, there are plenty of services and products in the world that would benefit the public, but that nobody wants to pay for. Some of them we call &quot;public goods&quot;, and we put the government in charge: firefighting, roads, schools. News can&#039;t be a public good; the propaganda incentive is even stronger than the profit incentive. They don&#039;t mix well.

There are other services that we like, that we wish we could have, but that not enough of us are willing to pay for. We have a framework for those service providers, too: Resumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the problem: There&#8217;s a widespread assumption that if advertising will not, in fact, support a major newsgathering operation, the solution is to charge for a major newsgathering operation. We must do something; charging is something; therefore we must do it.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;ve seen over and over that most people won&#8217;t pay when they can get &#8220;good enough&#8221; for free. Free newsgathering seems to be good enough.  Maybe that&#8217;s because newspapers have already raced to the bottom; maybe if the business/editorial wall had stayed stronger, newspapers would have a more compelling quality argument. But they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Charging is something, but it won&#8217;t work either.  That&#8217;s the real lesson.  Maybe Jeff&#8217;s wrong, and the solution can&#8217;t be found in the link economy, but again &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t mean charging&#8217;s the right answer either. If you have elite, compelling content that doesn&#8217;t get attention and inbound links, nobody&#8217;s going to read it. How many non-professionals do you really think sign up for Elsevier, or Lexis/Nexis, or the WSJ, or Gartner to read one article? Articles aren&#8217;t iPhone apps.  I read them and I&#8217;m done with them. They&#8217;re pure, transient low-value impulse buys &#8211; and if I can&#8217;t read your article for free, I can usually read someone else&#8217;s that&#8217;s nearly as informative.</p>
<p>Look, there are plenty of services and products in the world that would benefit the public, but that nobody wants to pay for. Some of them we call &#8220;public goods&#8221;, and we put the government in charge: firefighting, roads, schools. News can&#8217;t be a public good; the propaganda incentive is even stronger than the profit incentive. They don&#8217;t mix well.</p>
<p>There are other services that we like, that we wish we could have, but that not enough of us are willing to pay for. We have a framework for those service providers, too: Resumes.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Levine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405324</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;It seems that existing systems should be able to address this problem for publishers that opt to put their premium content behind the pay wall. A good Terms of Service should give the publisher all the ammo they need to ban bad users (ie re-purposers).

Maybe. But it hasn&#039;t worked for Hulu (content taken by Boxee). Or Craigslist (which recently sued a scraper). As long as there&#039;s money to be made in repurposing, people will do it. A sign saying &#039;Please don&#039;t steal&#039; is no substitute for one that reads &#039;Shoplifters will be prosecuted.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;It seems that existing systems should be able to address this problem for publishers that opt to put their premium content behind the pay wall. A good Terms of Service should give the publisher all the ammo they need to ban bad users (ie re-purposers).</p>
<p>Maybe. But it hasn&#8217;t worked for Hulu (content taken by Boxee). Or Craigslist (which recently sued a scraper). As long as there&#8217;s money to be made in repurposing, people will do it. A sign saying &#8216;Please don&#8217;t steal&#8217; is no substitute for one that reads &#8216;Shoplifters will be prosecuted.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Levine</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405323</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;The point is that you have to deal with the economic realities we have. 

Yes. And one of those economic realities is that advertising will not support a major newsgathering operation. The only way to do that is to charge. Murdoch is facing that reality. You are hiding behind techno-utopian theories that have already been proved false.

Someone will inevitable point out that Murdoch makes an unlikely champion of labor, to say the least. I know - at this point, I&#039;ll take anyone I can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;The point is that you have to deal with the economic realities we have. </p>
<p>Yes. And one of those economic realities is that advertising will not support a major newsgathering operation. The only way to do that is to charge. Murdoch is facing that reality. You are hiding behind techno-utopian theories that have already been proved false.</p>
<p>Someone will inevitable point out that Murdoch makes an unlikely champion of labor, to say the least. I know &#8211; at this point, I&#8217;ll take anyone I can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Sauron</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/11/28/the-new-divide-walled-v-open/#comment-405322</link>
		<dc:creator>Sauron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, open is better. But walled is more logical: some services represent more value than ads can represent. So Google should find better ways of dealing with walled content. Google should have a system that searches through walled content. That&#039;s the real solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, open is better. But walled is more logical: some services represent more value than ads can represent. So Google should find better ways of dealing with walled content. Google should have a system that searches through walled content. That&#8217;s the real solution.</p>
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