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		<title>By: Henry Lagrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Lagrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 11:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jane Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you, Darren.</description>
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		<title>By: Darren Cruz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Cruz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is time we should be money wise.</description>
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		<title>By: SEO Review Guide</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-417552</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO Review Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True. Most nations today are now facing economical crisis and we should be money wise down to the every penny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. Most nations today are now facing economical crisis and we should be money wise down to the every penny.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lampard</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-412058</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Lampard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Andy&#039;s comment. You have to be competitive in the market. Not only with quality but with price as well. Consumers these days are very penny wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Andy&#8217;s comment. You have to be competitive in the market. Not only with quality but with price as well. Consumers these days are very penny wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Research digest (weekly) &#171; Sho Tyz Inc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Research digest (weekly) &#171; Sho Tyz Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-02-02 &#171; David Black</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-408233</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2010-02-02 &#171; David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rusbridger v. walls &#8211; BuzzMachine &quot;Charging, Rusbridger says, &#039;removes you from the way people the world over now connect with each other. You cannot control distribution or create scarcity without becoming isolated from this new networked world&#039;.&quot; (tags: internet newspapers business journalism mediafuture paidcontent guardian) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rodger Codger</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407962</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodger Codger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember them olden days when consumers were called human beings?</description>
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		<title>By: Only you can save journalism. Only you. &#171; The Hyperlocalist</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407959</link>
		<dc:creator>Only you can save journalism. Only you. &#171; The Hyperlocalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] job to ensure a news outlet&#8217;s solvency, but too many of them ignored or even shunned innovative distribution routes and the possible revenue streams they posed. For years, they hung [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407957</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; it is about time newspapers (and others) wise up and start demanding compensation for their product from consumers.

Go for it.

However, remember that consumers have choices too and they don&#039;t care about your business.  They only care about the value that they get.

If you&#039;re producing content that is worth less to your customers than what you charge or that others are selling for less, you&#039;re going to fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; it is about time newspapers (and others) wise up and start demanding compensation for their product from consumers.</p>
<p>Go for it.</p>
<p>However, remember that consumers have choices too and they don&#8217;t care about your business.  They only care about the value that they get.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re producing content that is worth less to your customers than what you charge or that others are selling for less, you&#8217;re going to fail.</p>
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		<title>By: wanderindiana</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407926</link>
		<dc:creator>wanderindiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalistic content is a commodity or intellectual property and should always have been treated as such by media corporations. 

The construction of an advertising-driven online news model was an abject failure; it is about time newspapers (and others) wise up and start demanding compensation for their product from consumers. You never saw LexisNexis giving it away for free. Why should anyone have ever done so?

Pay for content is the only viable future of news whether the operation is a couple of guys in pajamas in their mom&#039;s basement or Sulzbergers at 620 Eighth Avenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalistic content is a commodity or intellectual property and should always have been treated as such by media corporations. </p>
<p>The construction of an advertising-driven online news model was an abject failure; it is about time newspapers (and others) wise up and start demanding compensation for their product from consumers. You never saw LexisNexis giving it away for free. Why should anyone have ever done so?</p>
<p>Pay for content is the only viable future of news whether the operation is a couple of guys in pajamas in their mom&#8217;s basement or Sulzbergers at 620 Eighth Avenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Guardian Editor Vs. The New York Times on Pay Walls &#124; Media and Tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guardian Editor Vs. The New York Times on Pay Walls &#124; Media and Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michal Tatarynowicz</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407890</link>
		<dc:creator>Michal Tatarynowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One would think that the newspapers should feel unburdened by the move to digital. Now they can write as much as they want, change their front page every five minutes if they so desire, publish individual stories as they unravel to have them delivered to readers within seconds, and they can even lower the cover price of their publications to zero, since they virtually eliminated distribution costs.

How can Murdoch et all keep spinning free distribution of information as the end of journalism is beyond me. It&#039;s like if a free energy device was invented and it was immediately hailed as the end of electronics industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One would think that the newspapers should feel unburdened by the move to digital. Now they can write as much as they want, change their front page every five minutes if they so desire, publish individual stories as they unravel to have them delivered to readers within seconds, and they can even lower the cover price of their publications to zero, since they virtually eliminated distribution costs.</p>
<p>How can Murdoch et all keep spinning free distribution of information as the end of journalism is beyond me. It&#8217;s like if a free energy device was invented and it was immediately hailed as the end of electronics industry.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407886</link>
		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this idea. It does not have to be binary. Pay-walling some content might be an excellent way to reach some sort of compromise.

We see some parallels in open source software development. How do the open source developers and companies get paid? By various mechanisms. Some achieve this by giving away some stuff free and providing premium services/product to others. Some have sponsorship deals form big companies (IBM, Google etc). Some dual license (eg. free to Linux users, pay for commercial licenses).

Finding the right balance for news will be difficult and might be impossible for some markets (eg. entertainment news and other low-brow reporting ) but might be very feasible for higher value political and business analysis and material (eg, maybe WS, Guardian etcJ).

There has generally been a race for the bottom and, as people realise that internet does not equate to free,  people are going to be increasingly prepared to pay for quality.

That is not really any different from how it was with print. Why pay for for a WSJ than Time (assuming it does cost more :-))? Well I value WSJ more than Time so would be prepared to put money on the counter whereas I would not do that for Time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this idea. It does not have to be binary. Pay-walling some content might be an excellent way to reach some sort of compromise.</p>
<p>We see some parallels in open source software development. How do the open source developers and companies get paid? By various mechanisms. Some achieve this by giving away some stuff free and providing premium services/product to others. Some have sponsorship deals form big companies (IBM, Google etc). Some dual license (eg. free to Linux users, pay for commercial licenses).</p>
<p>Finding the right balance for news will be difficult and might be impossible for some markets (eg. entertainment news and other low-brow reporting ) but might be very feasible for higher value political and business analysis and material (eg, maybe WS, Guardian etcJ).</p>
<p>There has generally been a race for the bottom and, as people realise that internet does not equate to free,  people are going to be increasingly prepared to pay for quality.</p>
<p>That is not really any different from how it was with print. Why pay for for a WSJ than Time (assuming it does cost more <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )? Well I value WSJ more than Time so would be prepared to put money on the counter whereas I would not do that for Time.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Becker</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407880</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I would like to hear what you have to say about Rusbridger&#039;s opposition to &quot;digital un-bundlers.&quot;  Isn&#039;t that sort of thing required, in order to produce the hyper-personal news stream?

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I like the Guardian  Maybe it, or other large players, can still think of themselves as having a mass audience -- but isn&#039;t the winner going to be the one who figures out how to be a player in a news ecosystem, and not the one who tries to maintain control over that audience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I would like to hear what you have to say about Rusbridger&#8217;s opposition to &#8220;digital un-bundlers.&#8221;  Isn&#8217;t that sort of thing required, in order to produce the hyper-personal news stream?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I like the Guardian  Maybe it, or other large players, can still think of themselves as having a mass audience &#8212; but isn&#8217;t the winner going to be the one who figures out how to be a player in a news ecosystem, and not the one who tries to maintain control over that audience?</p>
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		<title>By: Hear, hear&#8230;Guardian&#8217;s Rusbridger on pay walls: &#8216;New media&#8217; disappeared. They&#8217;re just media now &#124; Hanif on Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hear, hear&#8230;Guardian&#8217;s Rusbridger on pay walls: &#8216;New media&#8217; disappeared. They&#8217;re just media now &#124; Hanif on Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] anticipating BuzzMachine.com blogger Jeff Jervis&#8217; take on this, I was not surprised to find him sharing a link to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Saleem</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407874</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhammad Saleem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could not have said it better: 

&quot;It’s a trend about how people are expressing themselves, about how societies will choose to organise themselves, about a new democracy of ideas and information, about changing notions of authority, about the releasing of individual creativity, about an ability to hear previously unheard voices; about respecting, including and harnessing the views of others. About resisting the people who want to close down free speech.&quot;

Alan really gets it. The industry will probably label him a madman today. They will realize their mistake in a few years. A few short years if Mutter&#039;s calculations are correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could not have said it better: </p>
<p>&#8220;It’s a trend about how people are expressing themselves, about how societies will choose to organise themselves, about a new democracy of ideas and information, about changing notions of authority, about the releasing of individual creativity, about an ability to hear previously unheard voices; about respecting, including and harnessing the views of others. About resisting the people who want to close down free speech.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alan really gets it. The industry will probably label him a madman today. They will realize their mistake in a few years. A few short years if Mutter&#8217;s calculations are correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407870</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guardian News and Media losing £100,000 a day, and cut dozens of journalists the other day. Its own MD described the company&#039;s performance as unsustainable.

http://is.gd/74MP8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guardian News and Media losing £100,000 a day, and cut dozens of journalists the other day. Its own MD described the company&#8217;s performance as unsustainable.</p>
<p><a href="http://is.gd/74MP8" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/74MP8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Even Rudowski. Why not have both free and paid content. &quot;Arguing &lt;strong&gt;&lt;i&gt;against paywalls&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&quot; as you put it seems to be missing a lot.

Please comment on all the exciting things that are just around the corner with the Apple tablet and paid content:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/technology/26apple.html?pagewanted=1&amp;partner=rss&amp;emc=rss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Even Rudowski. Why not have both free and paid content. &#8220;Arguing <strong><i>against paywalls</i></strong>&#8221; as you put it seems to be missing a lot.</p>
<p>Please comment on all the exciting things that are just around the corner with the Apple tablet and paid content:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/technology/26apple.html?pagewanted=1&amp;partner=rss&amp;emc=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/technology/26apple.html?pagewanted=1&amp;partner=rss&amp;emc=rss</a></p>
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		<title>By: Annette</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407864</link>
		<dc:creator>Annette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Rusbridger knows exactly what will happen and his forsight will come thru.
He is a man we shoud really pay attention to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Rusbridger knows exactly what will happen and his forsight will come thru.<br />
He is a man we shoud really pay attention to.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/01/26/rusbridger-v-walls/#comment-407863</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you and Rusbridger continue to focus on the false construct of &quot;pay walls.&quot;

It&#039;s an easy thing to rail against, but it&#039;s not so black and white. There are plenty of opportunities to create paid content products alongside a core free product. Certainly the Guardian, with its tremendous talent, is capable of this.

But by going so far out on a limb in opposition to an oversimplified concept, paywalls, Rusbridger makes it harder for the Guardian to ever consider developing paid content opportunities. And he makes his own views needlessly more absolutist and therefore less relevant to what is really happening out there.

I addressed this further in the comments on the Paid Content website, also available on my blog here: http://bit.ly/7DjSga

(While we&#039;re on the subject of being open to the conversation, Jeff, why don&#039;t you implement Disqus in your own comments so that discussions that happen here can be open to the web? Right now your comments (and by extension your blog) are a cul de sac where the discussion only happens here and is not linked to the wider conversation. For those of us who want to be part of the broader discussion, commenting on BuzzMachine is unfulfilling because it goes nowhere else. Do you prefer it that way, or are you planning to address this?)

Best wishes,
Evan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you and Rusbridger continue to focus on the false construct of &#8220;pay walls.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an easy thing to rail against, but it&#8217;s not so black and white. There are plenty of opportunities to create paid content products alongside a core free product. Certainly the Guardian, with its tremendous talent, is capable of this.</p>
<p>But by going so far out on a limb in opposition to an oversimplified concept, paywalls, Rusbridger makes it harder for the Guardian to ever consider developing paid content opportunities. And he makes his own views needlessly more absolutist and therefore less relevant to what is really happening out there.</p>
<p>I addressed this further in the comments on the Paid Content website, also available on my blog here: <a href="http://bit.ly/7DjSga" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/7DjSga</a></p>
<p>(While we&#8217;re on the subject of being open to the conversation, Jeff, why don&#8217;t you implement Disqus in your own comments so that discussions that happen here can be open to the web? Right now your comments (and by extension your blog) are a cul de sac where the discussion only happens here and is not linked to the wider conversation. For those of us who want to be part of the broader discussion, commenting on BuzzMachine is unfulfilling because it goes nowhere else. Do you prefer it that way, or are you planning to address this?)</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Evan</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Tong Strömberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars Tong Strömberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good summary. Rusbridger understands what is happening and Guardian is definitely in the forefront among traditional media in the ongoing digital revolution. 

The only part I don´t agree with him is when he says &quot;It’s not a digital trend&quot; because digital is the enabler of all that is happening. The whole trend is due to the fact that you cannot stop the digitalized free flowing information and you cannot place it in a walled garden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good summary. Rusbridger understands what is happening and Guardian is definitely in the forefront among traditional media in the ongoing digital revolution. </p>
<p>The only part I don´t agree with him is when he says &#8220;It’s not a digital trend&#8221; because digital is the enabler of all that is happening. The whole trend is due to the fact that you cannot stop the digitalized free flowing information and you cannot place it in a walled garden.</p>
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