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		<title>By: Freedom of Expression in the Marketplace of Ideas &#171; Critical Herald</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-435592</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom of Expression in the Marketplace of Ideas &#171; Critical Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 05:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ensuring a rational limitation on the ideal of open government. This issue is explored closely by Jeff Jarvis, who writes, Is the Wikileaks story an example of crossing a line? First, we have to ask where the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Glass House Conversation: Transparency v Clarity &#171; John&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-421366</link>
		<dc:creator>Glass House Conversation: Transparency v Clarity &#171; John&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this new transparency good, destructive, a little bit of both, or is it just too early to tell?  Jeff Jarvis posted a nice piece for thinking about this a couple of weeks [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wikileaks and the War in Afghanistan &#171; Woolly Days</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-421141</link>
		<dc:creator>Wikileaks and the War in Afghanistan &#171; Woolly Days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so much information in the public sphere, Jeff Jarvis asks where the line should be drawn. His conclusion is that “the line has to move so that our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bernie Goldbach</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-420402</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie Goldbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even with a document dump like Wiki Leaks, you can never be sure you have the whole story.

I used to handle very sensitive material inside the Pentagon and I remember signing confidentiality statements for three different governments while working with an arms inspection group in Europe in the late 80s. In many of those documents, the operative material (i.e., the clearances to proceed) was initialed on post-it notes or on lightweight tissue paper below the main documents. Even with e-mails, the go-aheads were often initialed without any kind of electronic trails. In Ireland, some ministers run around with rogue Blackberries, meaning their calendars and electronic communications won&#039;t be archived for any purpose. 

It will take years--perhaps two generations--for historians to accurately assess who knew what and who was the primary source for launching a war campaign or for turning policy. It will take that long to correlate high-quality primary material. And even then, some of the perishable Post-it notes and faded pencil-whipped initials will distort the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with a document dump like Wiki Leaks, you can never be sure you have the whole story.</p>
<p>I used to handle very sensitive material inside the Pentagon and I remember signing confidentiality statements for three different governments while working with an arms inspection group in Europe in the late 80s. In many of those documents, the operative material (i.e., the clearances to proceed) was initialed on post-it notes or on lightweight tissue paper below the main documents. Even with e-mails, the go-aheads were often initialed without any kind of electronic trails. In Ireland, some ministers run around with rogue Blackberries, meaning their calendars and electronic communications won&#8217;t be archived for any purpose. </p>
<p>It will take years&#8211;perhaps two generations&#8211;for historians to accurately assess who knew what and who was the primary source for launching a war campaign or for turning policy. It will take that long to correlate high-quality primary material. And even then, some of the perishable Post-it notes and faded pencil-whipped initials will distort the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: juicycouture</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-420142</link>
		<dc:creator>juicycouture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff!

In my opinion, transparency can be also a mean of control. Both for the puplic and the state!
Suppose there was instant reporting of the My Lai massacre? Or accurate reporting of the police reaction to many of the 60’s civil rights marches? Or Lincoln’s brutal repression of civil liberties in Baltimore at the start of the Civil War? Would that have changed history? I think so. Would it have been all for the good, that is debatable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff!</p>
<p>In my opinion, transparency can be also a mean of control. Both for the puplic and the state!<br />
Suppose there was instant reporting of the My Lai massacre? Or accurate reporting of the police reaction to many of the 60’s civil rights marches? Or Lincoln’s brutal repression of civil liberties in Baltimore at the start of the Civil War? Would that have changed history? I think so. Would it have been all for the good, that is debatable.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat in Falls Church</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419797</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat in Falls Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an historian, but this has got me asking, what if there had been much more transparency in the past?

Suppose there was instant reporting of the My Lai massacre? Or accurate reporting of the police reaction to many of the 60&#039;s civil rights marches? Or Lincoln&#039;s brutal repression of civil liberties in Baltimore at the start of the Civil War? Would that have changed history? I think so. Would it have been all for the good, that is debatable.

War is ugly, and innocent folks get killed by all sides. Would better coverage, of the Afghan war, &#039;Nam war, Civil war, helped us win? Or would it just inflame passions and shed heat but no light?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an historian, but this has got me asking, what if there had been much more transparency in the past?</p>
<p>Suppose there was instant reporting of the My Lai massacre? Or accurate reporting of the police reaction to many of the 60&#8217;s civil rights marches? Or Lincoln&#8217;s brutal repression of civil liberties in Baltimore at the start of the Civil War? Would that have changed history? I think so. Would it have been all for the good, that is debatable.</p>
<p>War is ugly, and innocent folks get killed by all sides. Would better coverage, of the Afghan war, &#8216;Nam war, Civil war, helped us win? Or would it just inflame passions and shed heat but no light?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Falconer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Falconer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this not simply a case of establishing the boundaries between TBL&#039;s open database government/society, and the final admission that journalism is splitting into two with one half becoming non-authoritative data jockeys collecting and curating and the other half abandoning the truth fetish to become knowledgeable and justifiably opinionated influencers ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this not simply a case of establishing the boundaries between TBL&#8217;s open database government/society, and the final admission that journalism is splitting into two with one half becoming non-authoritative data jockeys collecting and curating and the other half abandoning the truth fetish to become knowledgeable and justifiably opinionated influencers ?</p>
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		<title>By: Deepedition » Wikileaks &#8211; hur mycket collateral damage är ok?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepedition » Wikileaks &#8211; hur mycket collateral damage är ok?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sekretess kontra öppenhet när det gäller myndigheters data börjar att spridas. Jeff Jarvis har skrivit en mycket bra text runt det hela där hans grundtes handlar om att istället för att fundera över vad som kan göras [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sekretess kontra öppenhet när det gäller myndigheters data börjar att spridas. Jeff Jarvis har skrivit en mycket bra text runt det hela där hans grundtes handlar om att istället för att fundera över vad som kan göras [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ecopolitica &#187; Wikileaks e o jornalismo: inovação e diferenciação</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419641</link>
		<dc:creator>Ecopolitica &#187; Wikileaks e o jornalismo: inovação e diferenciação</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post, Jarvis diz que a moral dessa história dos vazamentos dos “diários da guerra” é que “nunca [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Did Wikileaks Cross the Line? &#124; Media and Tech</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419594</link>
		<dc:creator>Did Wikileaks Cross the Line? &#124; Media and Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wikileaks, Afghanistan &#38; The New Rules Of Engagement</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419591</link>
		<dc:creator>Wikileaks, Afghanistan &#38; The New Rules Of Engagement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some great background and discussion, I recommend you jump straight to Jay Rosen and Jeff Jarvis, both who have great [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marc B.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419578</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One method of dealing with real or perceived threats to secrecy could be to avoid records of activity. The Bush administration did that to a previously unknown degree. Before Bush, the White House had records of pretty much every activity. The Nixon files are published. 

Bush (and even more so Cheney) did not create records that might damage them. He did not read papers, files and reports, but received oral briefings. Cheney went in person to the Pentagon and to Langley and sat down with the actual working level guys there. There is no record of what they spoke and certainly not if and how he influenced their work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One method of dealing with real or perceived threats to secrecy could be to avoid records of activity. The Bush administration did that to a previously unknown degree. Before Bush, the White House had records of pretty much every activity. The Nixon files are published. </p>
<p>Bush (and even more so Cheney) did not create records that might damage them. He did not read papers, files and reports, but received oral briefings. Cheney went in person to the Pentagon and to Langley and sat down with the actual working level guys there. There is no record of what they spoke and certainly not if and how he influenced their work.</p>
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		<title>By: CARTA</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419520</link>
		<dc:creator>CARTA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Afghanistan-Protokolle: best&#252;rzende Gesamtschau, Spiegel-Desaster und die Medienmacht von Wikileaks...&lt;/strong&gt;

Die Visualisierung der Leitartikel, Wikileaks als erste staatenlose Nachrichtenorganisation und das Scheitern des Spiegel – eine Zusammenschau der besten (Blog-)Beitr&#228;ge zur Ver&#246;ffentlichung der &#8220;War Logs&#8221;.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Afghanistan-Protokolle: best&#252;rzende Gesamtschau, Spiegel-Desaster und die Medienmacht von Wikileaks&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Die Visualisierung der Leitartikel, Wikileaks als erste staatenlose Nachrichtenorganisation und das Scheitern des Spiegel – eine Zusammenschau der besten (Blog-)Beitr&#228;ge zur Ver&#246;ffentlichung der &#8220;War Logs&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419506</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes; is anyone data neutral?</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419504</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The danger with an organisation like Wikileaks is they&#039;re clearly not data neutral. They can choose what to leak and what to hold back to suit their needs. 

I wouldn&#039;t, for example, expect Assange to leak about dodgy dealings within the Swedish Pirate Party when he might be wholly willing to take down a mainstream party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The danger with an organisation like Wikileaks is they&#8217;re clearly not data neutral. They can choose what to leak and what to hold back to suit their needs. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t, for example, expect Assange to leak about dodgy dealings within the Swedish Pirate Party when he might be wholly willing to take down a mainstream party.</p>
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		<title>By: direwolff</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419488</link>
		<dc:creator>direwolff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, 

In making your final argument:

&quot;I don’t think this is an inexorable process of opening everything, of making no secret safe. As much as I advocate transparency, I don’t advocate that. But when you don’t know how many secrets there are, when there are too many secrets, then everything can be a leak — in Afghanistan or in the Gulf of Mexico. Unless government and business take on a credible and complete ethic of transparency, they will hand over the job of transparency to leakers and no secret is safe.&quot;

I&#039;m struck that there&#039;s a fine line here called &quot;trust&quot;, and it&#039;s not likely to be easily achieved regardless of what gov&#039;t does.  Look, who&#039;s to decide which secrets should remain secrets?  It&#039;s happening now, you might feel that too much is being made secret but that notwithstanding, someone has made that judgment.  Will you really *ever* trust gov&#039;t and business&#039; take on transparency?  I think of it a bit like loud people, when you remove the loudest fm the group you find out that someone else was also loud, just not as loud as the person you just expelled.  Same w/secrets, everyone wants to know everything even if after knowing it they regret the disclosure.  As soon as a new bar is set for what should remain secret, someone will leak it and half the people will wonder why it was ever a secret and the other half will be really pissed that the leak took place and feel that it jeopardized our national security.

This is probably a good topic to have a lot of discussion around because I feel that your initial premise is a tad naive in that it pretends that we will all agree on when something s/b a secret...w/o knowing what that something is (since it&#039;s a secret ;).  Having said all of this, I don&#039;t disagree that the current level of secrecy has set dangerous precedents around the world and we&#039;re not safer for them.

Also, we don&#039;t live in a world w/o enemies.  Mind you, I&#039;m no warmonger (quite the opposite actually), but I&#039;m struck by how we find a balance between disclosure to those who foot the bill for all of these activities, and those seek to destroy our way of life (which could use some changing anyway ;).  One of the Wikileaks disclosures today was about a Reaper drone (66 ft wingspan...yikes!) and they lost temporary control over and then had to crash into a mountain.  On the surface, not a big deal, but in the context of war, is it wise to let current and potential enemies know that our weapons have significant weaknesses that can be exploited?  Discuss amongst yourselves... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, </p>
<p>In making your final argument:</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t think this is an inexorable process of opening everything, of making no secret safe. As much as I advocate transparency, I don’t advocate that. But when you don’t know how many secrets there are, when there are too many secrets, then everything can be a leak — in Afghanistan or in the Gulf of Mexico. Unless government and business take on a credible and complete ethic of transparency, they will hand over the job of transparency to leakers and no secret is safe.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m struck that there&#8217;s a fine line here called &#8220;trust&#8221;, and it&#8217;s not likely to be easily achieved regardless of what gov&#8217;t does.  Look, who&#8217;s to decide which secrets should remain secrets?  It&#8217;s happening now, you might feel that too much is being made secret but that notwithstanding, someone has made that judgment.  Will you really *ever* trust gov&#8217;t and business&#8217; take on transparency?  I think of it a bit like loud people, when you remove the loudest fm the group you find out that someone else was also loud, just not as loud as the person you just expelled.  Same w/secrets, everyone wants to know everything even if after knowing it they regret the disclosure.  As soon as a new bar is set for what should remain secret, someone will leak it and half the people will wonder why it was ever a secret and the other half will be really pissed that the leak took place and feel that it jeopardized our national security.</p>
<p>This is probably a good topic to have a lot of discussion around because I feel that your initial premise is a tad naive in that it pretends that we will all agree on when something s/b a secret&#8230;w/o knowing what that something is (since it&#8217;s a secret <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Having said all of this, I don&#8217;t disagree that the current level of secrecy has set dangerous precedents around the world and we&#8217;re not safer for them.</p>
<p>Also, we don&#8217;t live in a world w/o enemies.  Mind you, I&#8217;m no warmonger (quite the opposite actually), but I&#8217;m struck by how we find a balance between disclosure to those who foot the bill for all of these activities, and those seek to destroy our way of life (which could use some changing anyway <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  One of the Wikileaks disclosures today was about a Reaper drone (66 ft wingspan&#8230;yikes!) and they lost temporary control over and then had to crash into a mountain.  On the surface, not a big deal, but in the context of war, is it wise to let current and potential enemies know that our weapons have significant weaknesses that can be exploited?  Discuss amongst yourselves&#8230; <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Briantist</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419487</link>
		<dc:creator>Briantist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if all the media organizations (in the US and UK at least) had not succumbed to the idea of &quot;embedding&quot; themselves, this information would not have been a secret in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if all the media organizations (in the US and UK at least) had not succumbed to the idea of &#8220;embedding&#8221; themselves, this information would not have been a secret in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: RobShaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobShaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other option is obfuscation; write more to bury the truth. Beat around the bush. Be vague. That&#039;s what the tobacco industry did and is what happened around &quot;global warming&quot;. My reaction to this tactic is just what was wanted ... I don&#039;t believe anybody any more about anything. I even question my direct experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other option is obfuscation; write more to bury the truth. Beat around the bush. Be vague. That&#8217;s what the tobacco industry did and is what happened around &#8220;global warming&#8221;. My reaction to this tactic is just what was wanted &#8230; I don&#8217;t believe anybody any more about anything. I even question my direct experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Igor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing that has changed in the information war is the way that information is being extracted, not the fact that information can be extracted.</description>
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		<title>By: Wikileaks vs. Secrets &#171; Wir sprechen Online.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419473</link>
		<dc:creator>Wikileaks vs. Secrets &#171; Wir sprechen Online.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis on secrets: The moral to the WikiLeaks war log story, you never know what might be leaked; http://j.mp/c1QW0j  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jarvis on secrets: The moral to the WikiLeaks war log story, you never know what might be leaked; <a href="http://j.mp/c1QW0j" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/c1QW0j</a>  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419472</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, the point you are making is, of course, an important and valid one. But I don&#039;t think that the need of large-scale bureaucracies (like corporations or the military) allows for less stuff to be written down. It&#039;s an inherent need for documentation that will always have them write down all this stuff, the internal documentation relies on it too strongly. 

So I guess there is still hope for leaks of unethical behavior even in the long run.

There is, of course, another way to prevent leaks of unethical behavior: Not to behave in an unethical way. But maybe that&#039;s too much to ask ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, the point you are making is, of course, an important and valid one. But I don&#8217;t think that the need of large-scale bureaucracies (like corporations or the military) allows for less stuff to be written down. It&#8217;s an inherent need for documentation that will always have them write down all this stuff, the internal documentation relies on it too strongly. </p>
<p>So I guess there is still hope for leaks of unethical behavior even in the long run.</p>
<p>There is, of course, another way to prevent leaks of unethical behavior: Not to behave in an unethical way. But maybe that&#8217;s too much to ask <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419467</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only secret that can&#039;t be leaked is the one you never tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only secret that can&#8217;t be leaked is the one you never tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxim</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419464</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a  very interesting interview with WikiLeaks creator recently @ TED http://youtube.com/watch?v=HNOnvp5t7Do
You might want to watch if you haven&#039;t already.

Imho, WikiLeaks is very close but still on the right side of the line. War is sponsored by taxes and affects real human lives like nothing else. So, why should be kept in secret?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a  very interesting interview with WikiLeaks creator recently @ TED <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=HNOnvp5t7Do" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=HNOnvp5t7Do</a><br />
You might want to watch if you haven&#8217;t already.</p>
<p>Imho, WikiLeaks is very close but still on the right side of the line. War is sponsored by taxes and affects real human lives like nothing else. So, why should be kept in secret?</p>
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		<title>By: davidhrbrn</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419461</link>
		<dc:creator>davidhrbrn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff!

In my opinion, transparency can be also a mean of control. Both for the puplic and the state. 
But you´re right in saying that this is a crucial process. It is not only about the safety of people (like the whistleblowers on wikileaks) but also about trust and reputation. All three of them cannot be purchased with money. So transparency can also be very ruinous. 
The trouble is: who should decide where to draw the line?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff!</p>
<p>In my opinion, transparency can be also a mean of control. Both for the puplic and the state.<br />
But you´re right in saying that this is a crucial process. It is not only about the safety of people (like the whistleblowers on wikileaks) but also about trust and reputation. All three of them cannot be purchased with money. So transparency can also be very ruinous.<br />
The trouble is: who should decide where to draw the line?</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn Linssen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/07/26/what-if-there-are-no-secrets/#comment-419460</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn Linssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Jeff

There&#039;s adifference between secrets and cover-ups I think. The only reason those &quot;secrets&quot; could be covered up was he fact that means of communication could be controlled or were almost absent

There&#039;s privacy and secrecy, and these are two entirely different matters. I don&#039;t have to tell my bed-time secrets because those are private, but if I&#039;m cheating and don&#039;t tell my wife then that&#039;s not privacy, it&#039;s covering up something

Noblesse s&#039;oblige, but so do secrets: &quot;secrets s&#039;obligent&quot; could reveal why Obama is sticking to the crazy foreign policy of his predecessors

I say no to secrets unless...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Jeff</p>
<p>There&#8217;s adifference between secrets and cover-ups I think. The only reason those &#8220;secrets&#8221; could be covered up was he fact that means of communication could be controlled or were almost absent</p>
<p>There&#8217;s privacy and secrecy, and these are two entirely different matters. I don&#8217;t have to tell my bed-time secrets because those are private, but if I&#8217;m cheating and don&#8217;t tell my wife then that&#8217;s not privacy, it&#8217;s covering up something</p>
<p>Noblesse s&#8217;oblige, but so do secrets: &#8220;secrets s&#8217;obligent&#8221; could reveal why Obama is sticking to the crazy foreign policy of his predecessors</p>
<p>I say no to secrets unless&#8230;</p>
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